Moses and Jesus taught free will

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free will is a philosophy concept.
Christ did not teach it. what? free to live in a corrupt ape body not made by God on this corrupt earth not made by God? Insane.

His only point was to return to eden paradise and be saved from here
and be restored to Him
after all this time

 

[praise_yeshua]

I see no argument here. Only assertions. And your continuing declaration of independence from God's control. All hail self-determination!

Doesn't matter what you see or don't see. After all. God hasn't given you eyes to see or ears to hear..... "right"? < Calvinism

There are plenty of arguments there. I responding to your claims.

 

[praise_yeshua]

free will is a philosophy concept.
Christ did not teach it. what? free to live in a corrupt ape body not made by God on this corrupt earth not made by God? Insane.

His only point was to return to eden paradise and be saved from here
and be restored to Him
after all this time

Did Adam express freewill when he sinned?

What exact is willful sin if not the free express of the will. What sin had condemned Adam?

 

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Did Adam express freewill when he sinned?

What exact is willful sin if not the free express of the will. What sin had condemned Adam?

no.
free will didn't exist as a concept until the early modern period.
and represents being free to disobey God.

a satanic idea.

Adam disobeyed God and acted outside of his authority
and everything he did since then, even now, is Illegal
and criminal.

Free will is a concept of 'do as thou wilt', an idea
belonging to the satanic realm.

 

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free will is a philosophy concept.
Christ did not teach it. what? free to live in a corrupt ape body not made by God on this corrupt earth not made by God? Insane.

His only point was to return to eden paradise and be saved from here
and be restored to Him
after all this time

often it is said oh but God declared all creation Good,
true, but there is a context for that declaring....

The context is that He declared His creation good Before the Fall.
What adam caused after that was NOT good

... which is the corruption of God's creation
that has affected all of us..

here on this earth we are not in God's creation
walking in paradise with Him in His garden

 

[praise_yeshua]

no.
free will didn't exist as a concept until the early modern period.
and represents being free to disobey God.

a satanic idea.

Adam disobeyed God and acted outside of his authority
and everything he did since then, even now, is Illegal
and criminal.

Free will is a concept of 'do as thou wilt', an idea
belonging to the satanic realm.

Free Will is not a product of the early modern era. It has long been discussed in Judaism. (בחירה חופשית)

How did Adam sin if he did not exercise his own will. You didn't answer that question. Please do.

 

[praise_yeshua]

often it is said oh but God declared all creation Good,
true, but there is a context for that declaring....

The context is that He declared His creation good Before the Fall.
What adam caused after that was NOT good

... which is the corruption of God's creation
that has affected all of us..

here on this earth we are not in God's creation
walking in paradise with Him in His garden

Freewill is good. What is bad about freewill?

 

[makesends]

no.
free will didn't exist as a concept until the early modern period.
and represents being free to disobey God.

a satanic idea.

Adam disobeyed God and acted outside of his authority
and everything he did since then, even now, is Illegal
and criminal.

Free will is a concept of 'do as thou wilt', an idea
belonging to the satanic realm.

self-determinism

 

[makesends]

often it is said oh but God declared all creation Good,
true, but there is a context for that declaring....

The context is that He declared His creation good Before the Fall.
What adam caused after that was NOT good

... which is the corruption of God's creation
that has affected all of us..

here on this earth we are not in God's creation
walking in paradise with Him in His garden

But I've heard the argument that because he declared it good, that even the devil could not have fallen, and/or the serpent was not sinful/or not Satan. But, to my mind, at least, he could have declared (a Bob Marley / Bobby McFerrin kind of statement,) "It's all good!" in that his creation in all its particulars, is his plan to accomplish his end —the Bride and Body of Christ, the Sons of God, His Dwelling Place, etc and it is going to be accomplished. Nothing is going wrong, in that respect.

 

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Free Will is not a product of the early modern era. It has long been discussed in Judaism. (בחירה חופשית)

How did Adam sin if he did not exercise his own will. You didn't answer that question. Please do.

except I am christian and do not follow judaism, which cursed itself
for not listening to His prophets

yes, I know a free will 'existed' even before His eden paradise came to be,
since the satanic realm 'existed' and that concept of having your own will
and not His will... belongs to the evil realm
not Him

Adam did not exercise his 'own' will...
he exercised the Satanic will...
and as such acquired the carnal mind

 

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self-determinism

yes, the twin concept of of determinism..
all part of the satanic point of view, both of them..

of course souls can disobey God and 'obey satan' instead..

that is the 'choice'.

 

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Freewill is good. What is bad about freewill?

i imagine how you understand it is alright...
simply as staying within Parameters set by God
and within Him, having things we can decide..

free will as a concept is not the above I just typed...
see my posts previous this one

 

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But I've heard the argument that because he declared it good, that even the devil could not have fallen, and/or the serpent was not sinful/or not Satan. But, to my mind, at least, he could have declared (a Bob Marley / Bobby McFerrin kind of statement,) "It's all good!" in that his creation in all its particulars, is his plan to accomplish his end —the Bride and Body of Christ, the Sons of God, His Dwelling Place, etc and it is going to be accomplished. Nothing is going wrong, in that respect.

He created all of His creation,
spoke it into being... it was Good

and the satanic realm destroyed it..
[we, all of us His Souls,
had to leave because of that evil
of adam...]

well, i don't know about bob marley..
or such... but
for sure He will rescue us from Adam's
horrible crime and return us to our paradise..
<3

 

[praise_yeshua]

except I am christian and do not follow judaism, which cursed itself
for not listening to His prophets

Just pointing out the fact freewill isn't a product of the "early modern" era. It is very old. From the beginning.

Adam did not exercise his 'own' will...
he exercised the Satanic will...
and as such acquired the carnal mind

Eve was deceived. Not Adam. Where did Adam interact with the Serpent?

 

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Just pointing out the fact freewill isn't a product of the "early modern" era. It is very old. From the beginning.



Eve was deceived. Not Adam. Where did Adam interact with the Serpent?

yes but now after christ came
the evil realm put it into overdrive...

adam ate of the fruit , that realm

and every ancient text describes what he did to us
... how he interacted .. and , how
adam hid this in his corrupt scroll... kjv

 

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adam was responsible to take care of eve..
obviously he did not ...
he went to the enemy and disobeyed God

 

[praise_yeshua]

yes but now after christ came
the evil realm put it into overdrive...

adam ate of the fruit , that realm

and every ancient text describes what he did to us
... how he interacted .. and , how
adam hid this in his corrupt scroll... kjv

Adam sought to save Eve. He did. In fact, God worked in His Grace to save Eve for Adam. The love of a lifetime. The Benevolence of God. The kindness of God toward all of humanity.

 

[MTMattie]

except I am christian and do not follow judaism, which cursed itself
for not listening to His prophets

yes, I know a free will 'existed' even before His eden paradise came to be,
since the satanic realm 'existed' and that concept of having your own will
and not His will... belongs to the evil realm
not Him

Adam did not exercise his 'own' will...
he exercised the Satanic will...
and as such acquired the carnal mind

How exactly is it that Satan had free will?

 

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How exactly is it that Satan had free will?

yes there are two realms.

and one is the satanic realm.

 

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How exactly is it that Satan had free will?

who do you think satan is?