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[MTMattie]

@Behold



Actually they were, God made them vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction, they have no say so, they are just pots He made to make His Power known Rom 9:18-22

Then this is a lie. "He died for from unbelief, false religion in the world, according to the will of God Gal 1:4"

18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

 

[brightfame52]

Then this is a lie. "He died for from unbelief, false religion in the world, according to the will of God Gal 1:4"

God made some as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. And He made some as vessels of mercy, and saves them from their sins, like unbelief and ignorance

 

[MTMattie]

God made some as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. And He made some as vessels of mercy, and saves them from their sins, like unbelief and ignorance

God made some as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction.

The God of love does this?

 

[brightfame52]

God made some as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction.

The God of love does this?

Yes

 

[brightfame52]

God made some as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction.

The God of love does this?

1. It has been taught that God loves all men – even ones that He sends to hell.
   
   This teaching profanes God's love for His elect and His hatred for those ordained to damnation (Jude 1:4). It is not taught in Scripture! Common grace is frequently taught. I don't deny that God provides for all men, but if rain and sunshine are measurements of God's love (as is taught at GBC), I'd have to conclude that the people with the most rain and sunshine are the most loved by God.
   
   Psalms 92:5-7 O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep. {6} A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this. {7} When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
   
   God does not love all men. There are billions of men that God just wants to destroy forever, and He does. He causes men to prosper for the purpose of resurrecting them to everlasting shame and contempt.
   
   Joshua 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses.
   
   God actively hardened the hearts of the Gentiles. Why? It's not because the Gentiles were any more wicked than the Jews! It was so that God would keep His covenant with Israel. God had no desire whatsoever to give these gentiles any favor and He wanted to destroy them forever – so He hardened them.
2. It has been taught that God didn't elect people to eternal damnation.
   
   Romans 9:22-23 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering thevessels of wrath fitted to destruction: {23} And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
   
   Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
   
   These passages clearly teach that men are ordained to condemnation. God planned and decreed that certain men would be damned for eternity.

My Resignation Letter to Grace Baptist Chapel - Brandan Kraft

This was a letter I wrote to the folks at my church when I resigned my membership in 2005. It seems I can’t just quit anything - I have to explain everything in detail. Anyway, I post this for m

www.pristinegrace.org

 

[Neil Spargo]

Calvinism Refuted

Brethren, as believers in God’s inspired Word (2 Timothy 3:16), we need to consistently “refute” the false teaching of “TULIP” (Ephesians 4:14; Colossians 2:4,8; Hebrews 13:9; 1 John 4:1; 2 John 1:9-10).

Refuting The False TULIP Doctrine​

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/more-about-calvin-tulip.1906/post-133111

 

[MTMattie]

Yes

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[MTMattie]

Yes

ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR ANSWER ABOVE AND YOUR ANSWER BELOW CONTRADICT EACH OTHER?

My Resignation Letter to Grace Baptist Chapel - Brandan Kraft

This was a letter I wrote to the folks at my church when I resigned my membership in 2005. It seems I can’t just quit anything - I have to explain everything in detail. Anyway, I post this for m

www.pristinegrace.org

 

[brightfame52]

ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR ANSWER ABOVE AND YOUR ANSWER BELOW CONTRADICT EACH OTHER?

Perhaps that post gave you some understanding, God willing

 

[MTMattie]

Perhaps that post gave you some understanding, God willing

That you don't understand. Yeppers.

 

[Bobby Walker]

TULIP device is a problem, rather than the doctrine of grace it tries to summarize. Using TULIP may contribute to misunderstanding and confusion. People tend to hear things we don’t intend to communicate and, in fact, don’t believe:

Total Depravity. This sounds like we think all people are as bad as they can possibly be. But our listeners know some pretty good people, folks who are probably better than some church people they know.

Unconditional Election. When they hear this, people often jump immediately to the question of why some people are not chosen.

Limited Atonement. This seems to imply Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was limited in its power to save.

Irresistible Grace. The phrase brings to mind the picture of God dragging people to heaven, kicking and screaming, against their will.

Perseverance of the Saints. This makes it sound like once people are saved, it’s up to them to stay saved. They must persevere.

 

[Behold]

Perseverance of the Saints. This makes it sound like once people are saved, it’s up to them to stay saved. They must persevere.

No one "perseveres" to receive Salvation and no one "perseveres" to stay saved.

Salvation is a GIFT from God........its "the Gift of Salvation"......and who is that?

That is JESUS...........>He is Salvation, and that is not something we do........>He is someone who we RECEIVE by FAITH, and our "Faith is counted by GOD as RIGHTEOUNESS".. (Imputed).

"Even as ABRAHAM BELIEVED God, and it was counted (imputed) to Him as Righteousness........and for us ALSO shall it (righteousness) be imputed if we BELIEVE".

 

[Bobby Walker]

Jesus is the Good Shepperd, He will leave the 99 to get that one lost lamb.

Ezekiel 34:11-16
For this is what the Lord GOD says: ‘Behold, I Myself will search for My flock and seek them out. / As a shepherd looks for his scattered sheep when he is among the flock, so I will look for My flock. I will rescue them from all the places to which they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness. / I will bring them out from the peoples, gather them from the countries, and bring them into their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines, and in all the settlements of the land. ...