Judaism is very messy.....

praise_yeshua said:
David Stern is teaching a false Gospel.

The root of that vine is Christ. They are preaching a false gospel.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The Lamb alone is worthy.
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You are still spreading falsehoods. You are the one expounding falsehoods to support your false narrative. The root of David is the patriarchs as shown in my illustration from the late David H. Stern.
Shalom
 
Dizerner said:
You really need to stop putting words into people's mouths, it's a very bad habit, lol.
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I didn't. Your false claim.

Dizerner said:
No, he just explained and revised Moses. You are ignoring the verses Christ gave him legitimacy.
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That is your lie. You have do deal with it. Moses falsely taught vengeance. You're ignoring this. Why not deal honest with it instead of making it "my problem. You're the problem. Not me. I'm pleasing God in rightfully recognizing that Moses was wrong and Jesus was right.

Dizerner said:
There are two covenants and dispensations; the Mosaic Law was not given to dispense perfect morality, that never was the case at all.
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Never said it was. How in the word does that have anything to do with any man taking vengeance upon sin. Moses tried to do it himself. He murdered a man. It came full circle for him when Moses sought to take vengeance when he struck the "rock twice". God has offered to kill all the people that followed Moses and make of Moses a nation. It was God's place for vengeance. Not Moses.
 
praise_yeshua said:
I didn't. Your false claim.
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I never once said Moses was perfect, you completely misinterpreted me.

praise_yeshua said:
That is your lie. You have do deal with it. Moses falsely taught vengeance. You're ignoring this. Why not deal honest with it instead of making it "my problem. You're the problem. Not me. I'm pleasing God in rightfully recognizing that Moses was wrong and Jesus was right. Never said it was. How in the word does that have anything to do with any man taking vengeance upon sin. Moses tried to do it himself. He murdered a man. It came full circle for him when Moses sought to take vengeance when he struck the "rock twice". God has offered to kill all the people that followed Moses and make of Moses a nation. It was God's place for vengeance. Not Moses.
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This is really weird. You are rejecting Moses based on the fact he does not have perfect morality in his law, then you are saying "How in the world does that have anything to do with it?" What? If what Moses wrote in the Law was not perfect morality, then it needs clarification and revision, as to it's purpose and place. Because Moses wrote some things as a "concession" or "permissive" will of God does not invalidate him, consider:

2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
3 And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (Mk. 10:2-5 NKJ)

Jesus didn't rebuke Moses here, or claim Moses was not a prophet, he had every opportunity. No, he explained dispensations.
 
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David Koberstein said:
You are still spreading falsehoods. You are the one expounding falsehoods to support your false narrative. The root of David is the patriarchs as shown in my illustration from the late David H. Stern.
Shalom
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Make sure you check everything against the pure Words of God.

I really recommend people go to Scripture and prayer, before other works.
 
Dizerner said:
I never once said Moses was perfect, you completely misinterpreted me.



This is really weird. You are rejecting Moses based on the fact he does not have perfect morality in his law, then you are saying "How in the world does that have anything to do with it?" What? If what Moses wrote in the Law was not perfect morality, then it needs clarification and revision, as to it's purpose and pace. Because Moses wrote some things as a "concession" or "permissive" will of God does not invalidate him, consider:

2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
3 And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (Mk. 10:2-5 NKJ)

Jesus didn't rebuke Moses here, or claim Moses was not a prophet, he had every opportunity. No, he explained dispensations.
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Remember you are dealing with a fake Christian that doesn't know much biblically.
Shalom
 
Dizerner said:
I never once said Moses was perfect, you completely misinterpreted me.
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Not true. You are taking the theological position that Moses and Jesus said complementary things. That establishes the requirement that Moses be perfect. It doesn't matter if you explicitly stated it or not. Logic demands it.

Dizerner said:
This is really weird. You are rejecting Moses based on the fact he does not have perfect morality in his law, then you are saying "How in the world does that have anything to do with it?" What? If what Moses wrote in the Law was not perfect morality, then it needs clarification and revision, as to it's purpose and place. Because Moses wrote some things as a "concession" or "permissive" will of God does not invalidate him, consider:
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What method is this? You're being intellectually dishonest in your rhetoric. Your doing to me what you falsely claimed I did above. I didn't say anything about "perfect morality". You're even using the word "perfect yourself" and then criticizing me for demanding perfection in comparing same Christ to Moses.


Dizerner said:
2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
3 And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (Mk. 10:2-5 NKJ)

Jesus didn't rebuke Moses here, or claim Moses was not a prophet, he had every opportunity. No, he explained dispensations.
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Misdirecting nonsense. Don't take me to something I haven't referenced at all. I didn't even mention the "hardness of your heart". Jesus didn't say anything about the hardness of their heart when HE... referenced "Moses'".... and eye for an eye. I didn't say Moses wasn't a prophet. He was wrong. Prophets are wrong. You are too. I am too.

Why the dishonesty? Why are YOU insisting it is relative when Jesus didn't say those words relative to "eye for an eye"?
 
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praise_yeshua said:
Not true. You are taking the theological position that Moses and Jesus said complementary things. That establishes the requirement that Moses be perfect. It doesn't matter if you explicitly stated it or not. Logic demands it.



What method is this? You're being intellectually dishonest in your rhetoric. You doing to me what you falsely claimed I did above. I didn't say anything about "perfect morality". You're even using the word "perfect yourself" and then criticizing me for demanding perfection in comparing same Christ to Moses.




Misdirecting nonsense. Don't take me to something I haven't referenced at all. I didn't even mention the "hardness of your heart". Jesus didn't say anything about the hardness of their heart when HE... referenced "Moses'".... and eye for an eye.

Why the dishonesty? Why are YOU insisting it is relative when Jesus didn't say those words relative to "eye for an eye"?
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You are the one that is dishonest and flip flopping.
Shalom
 
Dizerner said:
Okay, you are not making coherent sense. I cannot interact with randomness. Until God clears up your mind this is pointless.

I wish you well.
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So God needs to clear my mind? How about yourself?

There is a battle here relative to authority. I'm not claiming any authority other than what reason and intellect demands.
 
David Koberstein said:
I work with Christians in local church ministry. We both respect each other's faith and customs.
Shalom
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Do you tell those "Christians" that your superior to them?

You're an egotistical maniac. You don't show that to them at all. People hide who they are. That is what "liars" do.

Tell you what..... Lets both talk to them.... Want to?
 

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