Judaism is very messy.....

[praise_yeshua]

I don't have a position. Although I am a member of the Republican Jewish Coalition and gave generously to President Trumps election.
Shalom

Yeah. Secular.......

 

[Dizerner]

Again. God doesn't need us. You're creating a "need" in the existence of God for humanity. If such existed, then there would be no full judgement of sin in damnation. For God to damn what He needs...... would destroy any sense of Immutability in God.

I never once said God "needed" us, I have constantly argued against that.

But for you to devalue the sacrifice of Christ, is just very evil and wrong.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your wrong again on so many levels.
Shalom

Pretend all you want. God has the record. Your words betray you.

 

[David Koberstein]

I have no superiority complex. It's reality.
Shalom

Trump understands this principle. He has many Jews in his upcoming administration. Why don't you understand this?
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

I never once said God "needed" us, I have constantly argued against that.

But for you to devalue the sacrifice of Christ, is just very evil and wrong.

I have not devalued it. I have properly detailed where that value exists. It exists in God. Not in us. You're making a clear mistake.

 

[David Koberstein]

Yeah. Secular.......

Oh well. What can I say?
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

Trump understands this principle. He has many Jews in his upcoming administration. Why don't you understand this?
Shalom

He does? The vast majority of Jews are democrats. The vast majority are secular agnostics or atheists.

 

[David Koberstein]

I have devalued it. I have properly detailed where that value exists. It exists in God. Not in us. You're making a clear mistake.

Being a fake Christian is a mistake for you
Shalom

 

[praise_yeshua]

Being a fake Christian is a mistake for you
Shalom

How am I a fake Christian?

 

[Dizerner]

Let us be alert to the sin of pride dear friends:

18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, Than to divide the spoil with the proud. (Prov. 16:18-19 NKJ)

One thing about Trump is he has given God some measure of respect and honor, that goes far.

Let us keep praying for his salvation...

 

[David Koberstein]

He does? The vast majority of Jews are democrats. The vast majority are secular agnostics or atheists.

You so wrong again, so let me educate you.
70% of Orthodox Jews are Republicans and 70% of the Reform Jews are Democrats.
Shalom

 

[Dizerner]

It exists in God. Not in us. You're making a clear mistake.

Yes, of course, but the value itself comes from God.

That's the whole basis and foundation of PSA—that our value only comes from God and not ourselves!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Let us be alert to the sin of pride dear friends:

18 Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall.
19 Better to be of a humble spirit with the lowly, Than to divide the spoil with the proud. (Prov. 16:18-19 NKJ)

One thing about Trump is he has given God some measure of respect and honor, that goes far.

Let us keep praying for his salvation...

He has confessed Jesus Christ. Paula White (for what it is worth) lead him to Jesus

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, of course, but the value itself comes from God.

That's the whole basis and foundation of PSA—that our value only comes from God and out ourselves!

I know you believe that but I disagree completely. It "back doors" value for those that Christ died for.

Maybe one day you will see it. Not trying to rehash it. We can if you like but we know each other's position. .

 

[Dizerner]

He has confessed Jesus Christ. Paula White (for what it is worth) lead him to Jesus

Right. It looks like he sees it as a cultural Christianity, a "be a nice person" kind of thing.

I have yet to see evidence of revelation of grace and repentance from sin in his life

 

[David Koberstein]

How am I a fake Christian?

Well let me see....
You worship and believe on pagan holidays. You believe that Sunday is the Sabbath. Your antisemitic. Gosh should I continue?
Shalom

 

[Dizerner]

We can if you like but we know each other's position. .

Uh, not really. Things you say constantly sound self-contradictory, unclear and confusing to me.

You should really go back over it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

You so wrong again, so let me educate you.
70% of Orthodox Jews are Republicans and 70% of the Reform Jews are Democrats.
Shalom

Geesh.......

That is a little world you're living in.......

 

[praise_yeshua]

Uh, not really. Things you say constantly sound self-contradictory, unclear and confusing to me.

You should really go back over it.

Please start with the "contradictory" part. I say things for a reason. I choose my words wisely. I have a reason for why I say what I say. You might not understand it but it is never contradictory. So start there.......

I will listen.

 

[Dizerner]

I don't celebrate Sunday or any holidays at all, does that make me pagan, lol.