civic
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Nope the author nice try that’s what your Calvinist buddy said . All things mean all things including evil and sin. Your false teaching not mine. I’m just exposing it .
John 3:16 The Most Abused Passage by Free-Willers
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Rom 11:26
Romans 11:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
yes all of spiritual Israel will be saved
11:36 see post 94
civic
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As we see some lack the Spirits discernment
Romans 11:33–36 (KJV 1900) — 33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out! 34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller? 35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
To me it speaks of creation and all things were indeed made by him
Exactly. What would not be part off His creation?
The thought, desires and deeds of man
He created man with His thoughts and desires. And the contingencies that would bring about your deeds.
He did not create your current thought, desires and deeds
You do? Why don't you create the desire to keep God's law perfectly?
The Rogue Tomato
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Exactly. If you truly have "free will" in the libertarian sense, you should be able to choose to keep God's law perfectly, and Christ is no longer needed.
Provide evidence it is god who creates your sinful thought
I will disprove it
James 1:13–15 (NASB 2020) — 13 No one is to say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it has run its course, brings forth death.
1 John 2:16 (ESV) — 16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
BTW Many, myself included have the desire to obey God's law perfectly but fail through weakness
Answer my question first. If you determine your desires, why not simply determine to desire to keep God's law perfectly?
Well than simply determine perfection when it comes to your desires.
Did you not read
Provide evidence it is god who creates your sinful thought
I will disprove it
James 1:13–15 (NASB 2020) — 13 No one is to say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it has run its course, brings forth death.
1 John 2:16 (ESV) — 16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.
BTW Many, myself included have the desire to obey God's law perfectly but fail through weakness
because of weakness no one is perfect not even those regenerated and make new creations except for their position in Christ
So, determine not to be weak. Simply determine perfect desires.
Sorry but that is an absurd argument
You can desire it but lack the power as all do. We are not God
civic
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Yes notice their equivocation
No it's not. You said you determine your desires. So simply determine them to be perfect. Determine to desire to keep the law perfectly.
So you do or don't have the power to determine your desires. Which is it?
Do you determine your desires also?
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