John 3:16 The Most Abused Passage by Free-Willers

[TomL]

Would faith be a Spiritual blessing?

election and regeneration are

But your theology grants such apart from Christ

Faith is man's response

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

God is not going to believe for you

 

[Presby02]

election and regeneration are

But your theology grants such apart from Christ

Faith is man's response

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

God is not going to believe for you

Romans 11:26 "For FROM Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things."

Remembering your definition of all does all here mean all without exception or would you exclude faith?

 

[civic]

Romans 11:26 "For FROM Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things."

Remembering your definition of all does all here mean all without exception or would you exclude faith?

is evil and sin a thing under all things? yes or no

 

[Presby02]

is evil and sin a thing under all things? yes or no

All means all does it not? All Without exception remember?

My answer would be yes.

 

[civic]

All means all does it not? All Without exception remember?

My answer would be yes.

Thanks for admitting your god is responsible for all evil and sin and the cause of it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Thanks for admitting your god is responsible for all evil and sin and the cause of it.

Just another crazy inconsistency. All never means "without distinction" until they insist it means everything without distinction.

What a wonderful "rabbit hole".

 

[civic]

Just another crazy inconsistency. All never means "without distinction" until they insist it means everything without distinction.

What a wonderful "rabbit hole".

It’s strange how they cannot see the contradictions in scripture and the assault on Gods Good Name and Character. It makes God the author of evil. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil.

It’s much worse than the pagan gods since it’s coming from “ professing “ Christian’s .

 

[Presby02]

Thanks for admitting your god is responsible for all evil and sin and the cause of it.

He is ultimately the cause of all that exists and occurs using first or second causes.

So would you exclude faith from Romans 1136?

 

[Presby02]

Just another crazy inconsistency. All never means "without distinction" until they insist it means everything without distinction.

What a wonderful "rabbit hole".

Context decides. You and yours are the ones screaming all means all. So does all mean all in Romans 11:36?

 

[TomL]

Romans 11:26 "For FROM Him and through Him and to Him are ALL things."

Remembering your definition of all does all here mean all without exception or would you exclude faith?

Um

Romans 11:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[TomL]

Context decides. You and yours are the ones screaming all means all. So does all mean all in Romans 11:36?

Calvinists routinely reject any such meaning regardless of context unless they believe it favors their doctrine

 

[civic]

He is ultimately the cause of all that exists and occurs using first or second causes.

So would you exclude faith from Romans 1136?

human philosophical argument, not a biblical one just another assumption on your part- presuppositionalism- eisegesis etc.........

 

[Presby02]

human philosophical argument, not a biblical one just another assumption on your part- presuppositionalism- eisegesis etc.........

LOL, he is not the creator of all that exists?

 

[Presby02]

Calvinists routinely reject any such meaning regardless of context unless they believe it favors their doctrine

That does not answer the question. Does all mean all without exception in this paticular text?

Romans 11:36

 

[praise_yeshua]

Context decides. You and yours are the ones screaming all means all. So does all mean all in Romans 11:36?

Not to a Calvinist. Simple test. What difference is there in sinners to establish the context that Christ only died for certain sinners? Go for it.

Rom 11:36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Nope. All things have context relative to Romans 11:36

1. Lies are not of God.

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2. Only good things come from God.

Every good and perfect gift comes from above.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The reason you can't accept this is because your god is just like you. You enjoy your sin. You take pleasure in dishonoring the real God that can't lie nor purpose evil.

 

[civic]

Not to a Calvinist. Simple test. What difference is there in sinners to establish the context that Christ only died for certain sinners? Go for it.

Rom 11:36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen.

Nope. All things have context relative to Romans 11:36

1. Lies are not of God.

Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2. Only good things come from God.

Every good and perfect gift comes from above.

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The reason you can't accept this is because your god is just like you. You enjoy your sin. You take pleasure in dishonoring the real God that can't lie nor purpose evil.

Popcorn time again

 

[praise_yeshua]

LOL, he is not the creator of all that exists?

No He doesn't. We create things when we "combine" and "fabricate".

God didn't create a gun. You can sure take what man created and murder someone yourself. Would you enjoy murdering someone with a gun..... since the "god" you serve would purpose and create your destiny? Would you not appeal to Sovergnity as a defense?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Popcorn time again

They won't deal with it. They never do.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Thanks for admitting your god is responsible for all evil and sin and the cause of it.

"You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good." The fact that this offends you demonstrates that you don't trust God. You trust only yourself, your feelings, your "free will", your human reasoning.

 

[praise_yeshua]

"You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good." The fact that this offends you demonstrates that you don't trust God. You trust only yourself, your feelings, your "free will", your human reasoning.

There is a HUGE difference between purposing evil and God thwarting evil.

Sure. A man can commit evil deeds toward someone and God intervene for that person's good. This what God does.

What this verse does NOT say is "God purposed evil for your good". That is a lie. God doesn't purpose evil.

The evil actions of Joseph's brothers were to cause the death of Joseph. God rescued Joseph and what the brother's meant (not what God meant) was thwarted...Joseph didn't die.

This the proper use of "thwart" in the Scriptures.

It is crazy how you insist that God uses evil and this verse actually teaches that God "thwarted" the evil of men.

Psa_25:3 Certainly none who rely on you will be humiliated. Those who deal in treachery will be thwarted and humiliated.