John 3:16 The Most Abused Passage by Free-Willers

[civic]

Do you determine your desires also?

are you robot, a puppet on a string, preprogrammed like Mac says you are ?

next..........

 

[Presby02]

are you robot, a puppet on a string, preprogrammed like Mac says you are ?

next..........

Do you determine your desires also?

 

[civic]

Do you determine your desires also?

are you a robot, a puppet, preprogrammed like Mac says you are ?

 

[Presby02]

are you a robot, a puppet, preprogrammed like Mac says you are ?

I asked first and your obviously dodging the question.

I am not a Mac fan and could care less what He said.

 

[TomL]

No it's not. You said you determine your desires. So simply determine them to be perfect. Determine to desire to keep the law perfectly.

So you do or don't have the power to determine your desires. Which is it?

Desires. Desires are not ability

It was an absurd argument

 

[Presby02]

Desires. Desires are not ability

It was an absurd argument

So how do you determine your desires if you don't have the ability?

Speaking of a absurd argument. At least your walking it back now.

 

[TomL]

Yes notice their equivocation

Scripture simply does not support them

 

[TomL]

So how do you determine your desires if you don't have the ability?

Speaking of a absurd argument. At least your walking it back now.

Desires and ability to carry it out are two different things.

Because you desire it does not mean you can fulfill it.

The only one here who needs to walk back their statement would be you.

 

[civic]

Desires and ability to carry it out are two different things.

Because you desire it does not mean you can fulfill it.

The only one here who needs to walk back their statement would be you.

Yep

 

[TomL]

Yep

It was a weak argument

I can desire to fly like a bird but do not have much of a chance to pull it off

 

[Presby02]

Desires and ability to carry it out are two different things.

Because you desire it does not mean you can fulfill it.

The only one here who needs to walk back their statement would be you.

You said you determine your desires. When your determining a desire is ability taken into consideration?

 

[Presby02]

It was a weak argument

I can desire to fly like a bird but do not have much of a chance to pull it off

So why would you choose the desire to fly like a bird then?

Of course we're talking moral desires, not physical.

 

[TomL]

So why would you choose the desire to fly like a bird then?

Of course we're talking moral desires, not physical.

It seems like a desirable thing

 

[TomL]

You said you determine your desires. When your determining a desire is ability taken into consideration?

Not necessarily

 

[Aeliana]

Free-willers insist that "whosoever believes" proves that "anyone who chooses of their own free will to believe".

I've dealt elsewhere with the fallacy of having the ability to "choose to believe".

Here I'll show that the free-willer view of "whosoever" is a logical fallacy. If I say "whosoever is 6 feet tall or taller", can you choose of your own free will to be 6 feet tall or taller? No, of course not. So the word "whosoever" has no definitive relationship with free will.

John 3:16 promises that those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life, implying that faith in Jesus is the key to experiencing life beyond death.
John 3:16 highlights God’s immense love for humanity, the salvation offered through belief in Jesus Christ, and the promise of eternal life for those who put their faith in Him.

There is no question that, according to the Bible, people can be saved only through faith in Jesus.

To boil it down into the familiar terms and words we can understand, I can restate this phrase by simply saying it means I mean something to God. Once that phrase is stated, nothing more needs to be said. That sums up the whole intent of the Bible.

When I read those words “God so loved the world,” it means in personal terms that I mean something to God. God has His eyes upon me and is emotionally concerned about me. When this simple message rises above the confusion of "whosoever is 6 feet tall or taller", it would offer hope to those who embrace it.

 

[TomL]

John 3:16 promises that those who believe in Jesus will have eternal life, implying that faith in Jesus is the key to experiencing life beyond death.
John 3:16 highlights God’s immense love for humanity, the salvation offered through belief in Jesus Christ, and the promise of eternal life for those who put their faith in Him.

There is no question that, according to the Bible, people can be saved only through faith in Jesus.

To boil it down into the familiar terms and words we can understand, I can restate this phrase by simply saying it means I mean something to God. Once that phrase is stated, nothing more needs to be said. That sums up the whole intent of the Bible.

When I read those words “God so loved the world,” it means in personal terms that I mean something to God. God has His eyes upon me and is emotionally concerned about me. When this simple message rises above the confusion of "whosoever is 6 feet tall or taller", it would offer hope to those who embrace it.

And john writes

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

 

[Presby02]

It seems like a desirable thing

Seems like? Didn't you choose it? LOL

 

[Presby02]

Not necessarily

So why not choose to desire to keep the law perfectly?

 

[Presby02]

It seems like a desirable thing

Try it once and see how desirable it is.

 

[TomL]

Try it once and see how desirable it is.

Don't have that option

I flap my arms but cannot seem to lift off