John 3:16 The Most Abused Passage by Free-Willers

[civic]

Don't have that option

I flap my arms but cannot seem to lift off

My strongest desire is to be absent from this body and present with the Lord.

So much for their fatalistic strawman argument

 

[praise_yeshua]

Do you determine your desires also?

Yes. What you "sow" determines your desires.

If you sow to the flesh, you will reap of the flesh corruption.

Simple things elude you.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Don't have that option

I flap my arms but cannot seem to lift off

That's because you didn't choose to believe you could.

 

[TomL]

That's because you didn't choose to believe you could.

So if I believe it, you think I can overcome the limitation set upon man by God

 

[TomL]

My strongest desire is to be absent from this body and present with the Lord.

So much for their fatalistic strawman argument

But we have a Calvinist here who suggest we can with our mind change reality

 

[Presby02]

Don't have that option

I flap my arms but cannot seem to lift off

Lose some weight

 

[Presby02]

Yes. What you "sow" determines your desires.

If you sow to the flesh, you will reap of the flesh corruption.

Simple things elude you.

What you sow determines your desires? You don't desire what you sow?

 

[TomL]

Lose some weight

Been there, did that. Now at desired weight according to physician

Advised not to lose more

 

[Presby02]

But we have a Calvinist here who suggest we can with our mind change reality

But you brought up ability. The Provisionist says just hearing the gospel means we have ability by hearing. So if I read you the whole law you should have the ability to desire to keep it perfectly. So why not simply choose the desire to do so?

 

[Presby02]

Been there, did that. Now at desired weight according to physician

Apparently not if you want to fly. Get a hand glider.

 

[TomL]

Apparently not if you want to fly. Get a hand glider.

That is not flying like a bird which requires no external device

 

[TomL]

Apparently not if you want to fly. Get a hand glider.

Care to take the test and continue losing weight until you are able to lift off by flapping your arms to show me how it is done

 

[Presby02]

Care to take the test and continue losing weight until you are able to lift off by flapping your arms to show me how it is done

Get a hand glider.

Where does the desire come from to choose a desire?

 

[TomL]

But you brought up ability. The Provisionist says just hearing the gospel means we have ability by hearing. So if I read you the whole law you should have the ability to desire to keep it perfectly. So why not simply choose the desire to do so?

The ability to believe and the ability to be perfect are simply not the same thing

Stop comparing oranges with apples

 

[Presby02]

The ability to believe and the ability to be perfect are simply not the same thing

Stop comparing oranges with apples

Why not? It's simply a matter of desire and choice. I read you the law. You certainly have the ability, according to you. You choose your desires so why not choose to desire perfection?

 

[TomL]

Get a hand glider.

Where does the desire come from to choose a desire?

Hand glider?

What's that?

Something you just invented?

 

[Presby02]

Hand glider?

What's that?

Something you just invented?

You have never heard of a hang glider? Hang, not hand. Opps Get out much? Don't worry about ability. I will read you the instructions and you will have ability.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What you sow determines your desires? You don't desire what you sow?

It continues to amaze just how little you know.

Stop listening to Calvin and his followers and hear the Scriptures.

Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

 

[Presby02]

It continues to amaze just how little you know.

Stop listening to Calvin and his followers and hear the Scriptures.

Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

Do you desire what you sow???

 

[TomL]

You have never heard of a hang glider? Hang, not hand. Opps Get out much? Don't worry about ability. I will read you the instructions and you will have ability.

No I never heard of a hand glider

And that is not flying like a bird