And you ignore the audience, historical setting and context in which the verse is used in Isiah.
John 3:16 The Most Abused Passage by Free-Willers
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Empty words as you ignore audience, historical setting and context of the verse which is quoted from Isiah.
See your optometrist ASAP
Sorry but no I do not. I know it does not change the difficulty your theology has with the verse.
And you cannot show otherwise
which is why you continue dodging and making statements for which you have no support
as I noted
And you fail to address the context, audience and historical setting of the text.
"No man can come to me" actually addresses ability
civic
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Strawman as Jesus spells out the condition of drawing - those who already listen and learn from the Father. John 6:44-45
No He don't. NOWHERE does it say your drawn because you did anything.
They had to listen and learn
John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
today they may be drawn by Christ
John 12:32 (KJV 1900) — 32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
civic
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The pastor and elders this morning all saw it as well, take off those blinders. They were wondering why I was waisting my time
He is in denialThe pastor and elders this morning all saw it as well, take off those blinders. They were wondering who was raising my time
Hearing and learning are active participles
civic
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Yes even my grandkids can understand it
They have got to be brainwashed like James White before they can deny it
Don't. Who asked you to?The pastor and elders this morning all saw it as well, take off those blinders. They were wondering why I was waisting my time
Nothing about they had to do anything in either verse.
Every man who God intends to hear and learns does, and is raised on the last day.
There is no condition given for the drawing in the text. It does not say if you Hear and learn I will draw you.
You are in denial
They had to listen and learn
John 6:45 (KJV 1900) — 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Hearing and learning is in the active voice- it is something they must do.
Sorry the text does not say that
You are reading the idea of effectually into the text
and ignoring the overall context of John
And you assume some who heard and learned did not come. You admit hearing and learning are how they are drawn. Do any of those who are drawn not come? It says that where?
No i am not
In context reading the original reference Isa 54 it is the children of the true disciples who are being taught by god
I do however state that all taught do not come
Jeremiah 31:3–4 (KJV 1900) — 3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: Therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee. 4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: Thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, And shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
and scripture bears me out
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