Those with a new heart understand they have been crucified with Christ and it’s no longer I who live but Christ in me. Roman’s 6 and Galatians 2. The old ban died in baptism and was raised to newness of life. John says those who continue in sin are not born of God. Paul says those who practice sin shall not enter Gods kingdom. Jesus says if those same ones I never knew you. James confirms the same thing all over his letter.
Indeed, that objection should be raised in this discussion. Someone can do the minimum of whatever it takes to become saved and then once they have been saved, then according to OSAS they will always be saved regardless of what they spend the rest of their life doing. They could then spend the rest of their life trying to sin as much as possible and still be saved according to OSAS. It is very unlikely that anyone would choose to do that, but OSAS allows room that someone could choose to do that and still be saved, which is contrary to what is taught by the Bible. We can be secure that no one can lose their salvation on accident, but whether someone can intentionally turn their back on God is another matter.
I started a new thread addressing the issue with nothing but scripture. So whoever objects can take it up with Jesus and the Apostles
Sorry about that, won't happen again. I found the ignore button. Didn't think I'd have to use it my first day here but whatever works. Once again I apologize for my rudeness.
And I would imagine that would be for each of us to decide on our take of eternal security. You mentioned another matter and that's where I believe God intervenes. I can't imagine anyone that has tasted the goodness of Jesus could ever turn their back on him. Maybe for a little while like Peter after Jesus was arrested but not permanently. That's my take on it and I'm sorry if it upsets anyone. They're definitely allowed to believe whatever they want to believe. It is rather offensive when someone tries to cram their beliefs down your throat. I think I'll follow Civics advice and go to the thread you just started.
Are you saying that we have been set free to follow Christ example of fulfilling the law or that we have been set free from following his example?The way I see is that it's true that sin results in separation, that God’s holiness compels Him to disassociate Himself from the sinner. But equally true is the fact that God placed the sin of mankind on His Son. Consequently, we who have accepted God’s free gift no longer run the risk of being put out of the family. Christ Laid down his life on our behalf. In Christ, the requirements of God’s holiness have been completely fulfilled! We've been set free. When you're set free by Jesus nothing can put you back into bondage. The sin Debt has been paid in full.
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Jesus however talked in terms of "If you abide in me..." Jn 15:7 What happens if YOU choose not to stay abiding in Christ? Eternal Life is in his Son. What if you leave the Son?
Of course but maybe you're stretching that to have a meaning God never intended it to have?
So exactly why did the Apostle Paul state in Gal 5:1, "Stand fast in the liberty in which Christ has set us free and be not entangled again in the yoke of bondage" So it's not clear the saint of God themselves can put themselves back in bondage?
Sure but does that mean one can be a total traitor to their country (The Kingdom of God) and their King and do this on a continual basis with no concern? Look to say one has to and I say again HAS TO work out their own salvation with fear and trembling doesn't mean to say one is paying for their sin. There is a serious attitude one should have towards discipleship. We do remember what Jesus said, "I wish you were either hot or cold" and if they are cold what he would do to them. Rev 3
Agreed. Why else are there so many verses about the elect being destroyed? Don't tell me you will play word games with who Jesus was talking about regarding salt that has lost it flavor being thrown away or branches that do not produce fruit will be burned?
I believe James would be rolling in his grave if he realized people confused work (singular) in the general sense with WORKS (plural) in the Biblical sense.
So you can lose your salvation if you are saved right now ?
So you believe you can lose your salvation? The precious Lord Jesus cannot be so easily dismissed from anyone who's had more than a passing acquaintance with him.
Not really an answer to my questions.
Well one must admit rhetorical questions are rather difficult to answer.
The remains of James have probably turned to dust by now. But he's not there anyway because the Bible tells us: But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
