jeremiah1five
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Gentile Christian theology interprets the Bible with a Gentile mindset and worldview.
For 1900 years since the destruction of the Jewish Second Temple which ended the "ism" of Judaism, and the Times of the Gentiles came into existence with the saving of uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles, the emerging Gentile church fellowship has taken over Hebrew theology and re-interpreted the writings of Saul and the other writers of the New Covenant Scriptures (Matthew to Revelation), through a non-Jewish prism and have come up with many teachings that simply are not bible.
Now, I'm not going to get into the ones I see as contradictory to the foundational teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures of Law, Psalms, and Prophets, because if a teaching that comes from out of Gentile Christian minds is not supported by the Hebrew Scriptures, then it is to be thrown away and rejected. Saul was a Hebrew man. He was a Pharisee and when he became a knowledgeable follower of Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, and if he studied the Hebrew Scriptures as a Pharisee of the Sanhedrin would, then all his teachings and conclusion would be the same as Jesus' in the gospels. And I will tell you now, they are. At least, when his writings are rightly divided and the meanings of his words are correctly understood with a Hebrew/Jewish mindset, then whatever Saul said in his writings would be equal to those things Jesus Christ taught. But has the Gentile Christian church fellowship of 1900 years understood Saul correctly in their past and present teachings from their pulpits and academic studies? Let's see if what Jesus said is the same as what Saul said on the same subjects and whether the Gentile Christian church has correctly interpreted and taught what he said.
I have three things Jesus said and three things Saul said on the same subject. You may be able to see the equality in what they say, but is it what the Gentile Christian church teaches? If Saul seems to contradict the Lord, then the fault is with Saul. We can't have a gospel of Christ, and then turn around and say, Saul has the power to override it with his own inspired thoughts.
Here we go.
Jesus:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17.
Saul:
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in qordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:15.
Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law and yet Saul says the law of commandments is abolished. Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Next entry:
Jesus:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18.
Saul:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:4.
Jesus said that not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law until all be fulfilled (and not everything in the Law has yet been fulfilled.) But Saul says, Christ is the end of the Law. Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Next entry:
Jesus:
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17.
Saul:
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20.
Jesus said that if one was to enter into life to keep the commandments. Saul says that by the deeds of the Law (keeping) no flesh shall be justified (declared "Not Guilty!" by God.) Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Personally, I don't believe Saul is contradicting the Lord. But you Gentile Christians who are reading this have been taught something entirely different from what the Lord said in your Gentile Christian education with regard to the words and teachings of Saul. What is the cry of Gentile Christians I always hear that we are under grace and not the Law? Well, is that what Jesus says in Matthew 5 above?
@praise_yeshua in all my comments and responses you read into them things I do not say and then accuse me of rejecting the ministry of Saul. I have never said that, but you take my words and twist them in your false Gentile indoctrinated mind and make me say things I never said. That is dishonest, deceitful and you are an accuser of the brethren. But I wonder if we are truly brethren. I wonder IF we have the same Father. I don't want an apology because I believe you'll find a way to twist the truth of our interaction and find some angle to prove you are right and I am wrong and still against the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Neither is THAT true. It's just I see the Scripture of all 66 books of the bible as inspired, inerrant, and the basis of what our doctrine as born-again believers should be, and that is, to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Salvation is of the Jews" and the basis of all we are instructed and commanded to believe of this "so-great salvation."
What I reject is the Gentile Christian mindset that has re-interpreted ALL 66 books of the Hebrew Scriptures to teach people like you things that contradict the Lord in all His Word to us true believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But this post is not about you. I will continue to interpret and understand the Hebrew Scriptures with a Hebrew mindset as though I am a Jewish man and one of the spiritual twelve tribes of Israel because I am. As a Gentile I have no covenant with God because in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets God has made no covenant with Gentiles and I am eternally grateful God had called me out of the world and into His marvelous light. He didn't have to do it. But for His purpose and plan I do serve a purpose in the body of Christ and that is to point out error that is out there in Gentile Christendom and share the truth of what God has taught me of His Truth to any and all of whom He has opened an ear, an eye and mind. And to all who read this post I say, still..
Salvation is OF THE JEWS!
Is anyone here going to tell me it's not and contradict the Lord?
Now Go, and figure that out!
For 1900 years since the destruction of the Jewish Second Temple which ended the "ism" of Judaism, and the Times of the Gentiles came into existence with the saving of uncircumcised, non-covenant Gentiles, the emerging Gentile church fellowship has taken over Hebrew theology and re-interpreted the writings of Saul and the other writers of the New Covenant Scriptures (Matthew to Revelation), through a non-Jewish prism and have come up with many teachings that simply are not bible.
Now, I'm not going to get into the ones I see as contradictory to the foundational teachings of the Hebrew Scriptures of Law, Psalms, and Prophets, because if a teaching that comes from out of Gentile Christian minds is not supported by the Hebrew Scriptures, then it is to be thrown away and rejected. Saul was a Hebrew man. He was a Pharisee and when he became a knowledgeable follower of Israel's Messiah, Jesus Christ, and if he studied the Hebrew Scriptures as a Pharisee of the Sanhedrin would, then all his teachings and conclusion would be the same as Jesus' in the gospels. And I will tell you now, they are. At least, when his writings are rightly divided and the meanings of his words are correctly understood with a Hebrew/Jewish mindset, then whatever Saul said in his writings would be equal to those things Jesus Christ taught. But has the Gentile Christian church fellowship of 1900 years understood Saul correctly in their past and present teachings from their pulpits and academic studies? Let's see if what Jesus said is the same as what Saul said on the same subjects and whether the Gentile Christian church has correctly interpreted and taught what he said.
I have three things Jesus said and three things Saul said on the same subject. You may be able to see the equality in what they say, but is it what the Gentile Christian church teaches? If Saul seems to contradict the Lord, then the fault is with Saul. We can't have a gospel of Christ, and then turn around and say, Saul has the power to override it with his own inspired thoughts.
Here we go.
Jesus:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17.
Saul:
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in qordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Ephesians 2:15.
Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law and yet Saul says the law of commandments is abolished. Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Next entry:
Jesus:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18.
Saul:
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 10:4.
Jesus said that not one jot or tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law until all be fulfilled (and not everything in the Law has yet been fulfilled.) But Saul says, Christ is the end of the Law. Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Next entry:
Jesus:
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17.
Saul:
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:20.
Jesus said that if one was to enter into life to keep the commandments. Saul says that by the deeds of the Law (keeping) no flesh shall be justified (declared "Not Guilty!" by God.) Is Saul contradicting the Lord?
Personally, I don't believe Saul is contradicting the Lord. But you Gentile Christians who are reading this have been taught something entirely different from what the Lord said in your Gentile Christian education with regard to the words and teachings of Saul. What is the cry of Gentile Christians I always hear that we are under grace and not the Law? Well, is that what Jesus says in Matthew 5 above?
@praise_yeshua in all my comments and responses you read into them things I do not say and then accuse me of rejecting the ministry of Saul. I have never said that, but you take my words and twist them in your false Gentile indoctrinated mind and make me say things I never said. That is dishonest, deceitful and you are an accuser of the brethren. But I wonder if we are truly brethren. I wonder IF we have the same Father. I don't want an apology because I believe you'll find a way to twist the truth of our interaction and find some angle to prove you are right and I am wrong and still against the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Neither is THAT true. It's just I see the Scripture of all 66 books of the bible as inspired, inerrant, and the basis of what our doctrine as born-again believers should be, and that is, to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Salvation is of the Jews" and the basis of all we are instructed and commanded to believe of this "so-great salvation."
What I reject is the Gentile Christian mindset that has re-interpreted ALL 66 books of the Hebrew Scriptures to teach people like you things that contradict the Lord in all His Word to us true believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But this post is not about you. I will continue to interpret and understand the Hebrew Scriptures with a Hebrew mindset as though I am a Jewish man and one of the spiritual twelve tribes of Israel because I am. As a Gentile I have no covenant with God because in the Law, Psalms, and Prophets God has made no covenant with Gentiles and I am eternally grateful God had called me out of the world and into His marvelous light. He didn't have to do it. But for His purpose and plan I do serve a purpose in the body of Christ and that is to point out error that is out there in Gentile Christendom and share the truth of what God has taught me of His Truth to any and all of whom He has opened an ear, an eye and mind. And to all who read this post I say, still..
Salvation is OF THE JEWS!
Is anyone here going to tell me it's not and contradict the Lord?
Now Go, and figure that out!
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