civic
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you cannot be saved without faith can you ?
Jesus calls it a work.
Take it up with Him
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Maybe ask Jesus to help your unbelief.
Jesus taught Provisional Atonement
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Jesus calls it a work.
Take it up with Him
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Maybe ask Jesus to help your unbelief.
you cannot be saved without faith can you ?
Jesus calls it a work.
Take it up with Him
You are barking up the wrong tree.
Maybe ask Jesus to help your unbelief.
Exactly. It's your work that saves you. Faith is a work remember? Something YOU DO? Remember?
civic
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Take it up with Jesus since He said it . Your problem is with Him since it contradicts your doctrine, not mine.
Take it up with Jesus since He said it . Your problem is with Him since it contradicts your doctrine, not mine.
I know it don't contradict yours. LOL You work for it
So do you believe Jesus lied?
John 6:27 (ESV) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.”
Food sustains life, it does not bring life about.
civic
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What does endure mean? Again, food sustains life, it does not create life.oops another work rofl
What was Jesus thinking
Calvinism has to ignore context to propagate its doctrineoops another work rofl
What was Jesus thinking
Dodging again
Readers observe
The points is Jesus stated they were to work.
Why do you ignore it?
In your desire to avoid the point
You ignore context
John 6:33 (NASB 2020) — 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.”
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
So faith is a work. You earn your salvation by working. Your not longer saved by unmerited favor.
Why do you ignore the logical outcome of your errant theology.
"For you are saved by grace THROUGH faith". Not because of
Food does not create life, it sustains it. Hence the word "endure".
Did you read the texts
You ignore context
John 6:33 (NASB 2020) — 33 For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.”
John 6:51 (KJV 1900) — 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
This bread gives life
why do you continue ignoring the word of God?
Deceit once again.
Is that all you have?
Paul and Jesus use the word work in different ways but neither state you can earn salvation
The bread represents what? Literally bread?
No, they don't. You do.
You are deceptive and bear false witnessNo, they don't. You do.
Quote me stating you can earn salvation or be branded as a fabricator
You don't have to. That is effectively what your saying. Your not saved by grace, your saved by a work. And that work has merit.
civic
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Another strawman
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