Jesus is God, One with the Father

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God provided a way for us to be restored to a right relationship with him through Christ's sacrificial dead -- Christ's atonement.

No God did not die; God cannot die; God is immortal ---- so still has nothing to do with God dying.

Jesus, being a mortal human being, died, was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights ----- God raised him from the dead and exalted Jesus to his own right hand. Therefore for us who believe in the only Son of God, the Messiah we have been reconciled by the death of his Son ----

For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. [Romans 5:10]

The Bible never says :

God cannot die or that God cannot become man.

and death simply means the separation of the body from the soul/spirit.

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But God was in Christ with Jesus in His death.

2 Corinthians 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

This is called Perichoresis- the mutual indwelling of Father/Son.

Wouldn't this term, perichoresis also include the mutual indwelling of Father/Son in those who believe through the word?
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

since He is both God and man the He is the Perfect and only One who can be Priest, King, Mediator and the Atonement. It took the One who made the covenant to be the One that enforced it via His death as Hebrews 9 declares.

Hebrews 9:16-18
In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it,17because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood

Since YHWH made the covenant it took His death for the will to take effect. This is God in Christ reconciling the world. In Acts 20:28 we read Gods own blood is what purchased the church.

YHWH uses mediators. In speaking of the coming New Covenant God said: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord" ....... Just as YHWH is saying that the old covenant that he made previously when he took them by the hand out of the land of Egypt ---- Moses was the mediator through which YHWH accomplished that. The old covenant wherein the blood of goats and bulls was shed "But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." BUT now we have a better covenant ratified by the blood of Christ who offered himself as a ransom.........He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. ----------- for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

This is God in Christ reconciling the world. In Acts 20:28 we read Gods own blood is what purchased the church.
Acts 20:28
Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.

This is the only way to make sense of the Bible. The Incarnation was the only way for Redemption,Salvation to be made for all humanity.

Another ambiguous verse ----- Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He has purchased with the blood of his own [Son].

John 10:11
I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

1 Peter 2:25
For “you were like sheep going astray,” but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Merry Christmas

hope this helps !!!

Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends....... Thank you, Lord Jesus for your obedience in carrying out God your Father's plan of salvation!!

 

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The Bible never says :

God cannot die or that God cannot become man.

and death simply means the separation of the body from the soul/spirit.

hope this helps !!!

True, the Bible never says that God cannot die......but the Bible does say God is immortal and by definition an immortal being cannot die . . . that's just the meaning of being immortal!!

Death is death. Death is described as sleep and those who sleep will be resurrected in the resurrection.

 

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Wouldn't this term, perichoresis also include the mutual indwelling of Father/Son in those who believe through the word?
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me."

YHWH uses mediators. In speaking of the coming New Covenant God said: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord" ....... Just as YHWH is saying that the old covenant that he made previously when he took them by the hand out of the land of Egypt ---- Moses was the mediator through which YHWH accomplished that. The old covenant wherein the blood of goats and bulls was shed "But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins." BUT now we have a better covenant ratified by the blood of Christ who offered himself as a ransom.........He does away with the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. ----------- for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Another ambiguous verse ----- Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He has purchased with the blood of his own [Son].

Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends....... Thank you, Lord Jesus for your obedience in carrying out God your Father's plan of salvation!!

No since Father/Son is an eternal interdwelling and I’m not in the Father, Son or Holy Spirit, they are in Me.

He always said and did what He saw and heard the Father saying and doing. No man has that capability.

hope this helps !!!

 

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No since Father/Son is an eternal interdwelling and I’m not in the Father, Son or Holy Spirit, they are in Me.

It seems John 17 says differently.....

He always said and did what He saw and heard the Father saying and doing. No man has that capability.

hope this helps !!!

He saw and heard God his Father through revelation ---- God spoke through his Son. In the same manner as the prophets saw and heard through revelation from God ---- God spoke through the prophets.

Thanks.

 

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It seems John 17 says differently.....

He saw and heard God his Father through revelation ---- God spoke through his Son. In the same manner as the prophets saw and heard through revelation from God ---- God spoke through the prophets.

Thanks.

No you are misunderstanding what Jesus said. He is talking about unity and being one not interdwelling.