Jesus denied being God

[civic]

John 14:6-9 ESV / 10 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Isaiah 9:6 ESV / 9 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Hebrews 1:8 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Titus 2:13 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 5 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Jude 1:25 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

John 4:25-26 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

Matthew 1:23 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

John 14:20 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

John 10:36 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

John 1:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Matthew 14:33 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Philippians 2:5-8 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

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John 5:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 1:1-3 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Matthew 28:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Amen !!!

All praise, honor, glory, worship to the Son as we read in Scripture. Believers love to honor the Son.

 

[Runningman]

False. You're the one who made the following wacky claim. That's the type of logic that the Unitarian Logic 101 course teaches you:

It's like saying I have something I don't have or I see something I don't see. Carry on with your dirt poor comprehension of basic human logic.

I haven't made any claims about what you're talking about so the burden of proof is on you. You're the one who is upset that you got your toys taken away from you when I knocked your "Jesus is the I AM" theory on its rear using Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15.

 

[Peterlag]

These are self-explanatory​

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John 14:6-9 ESV / 10 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

Isaiah 9:6 ESV / 9 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Hebrews 1:8 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.

Titus 2:13 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV / 7 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 5 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Jude 1:25 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

John 4:25-26 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.”

Matthew 1:23 ESV / 4 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel” (which means, God with us).

John 14:20 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

John 10:36 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?

John 1:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.

Matthew 14:33 ESV / 3 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”

Philippians 2:5-8 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

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John 5:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 1:1-3 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Matthew 28:18 ESV / 2 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful​

And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

None of the above that you list are teachings. None of them are a few paragraphs or a chapter or two clearly teaching the trinity. All you folks ever put in front of me are scrapes of half verses scattered all over the Bible. And all of them are either taken out of context, not understood in the culture they are written in, or from bad translations. Here I will look into one that you listed...

John 14:20
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

Does this mean I am God because I also am in Christ?

 

[TomL]

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not. If the Jews had no trinity, and the Christians had no trinity until it was officially declared by the Catholic Church in the 4th century. Then don’t you have to wonder where it came from? If it was formulated by the same Church that brought you Mary Mother of God, immortality of the soul, purgatory and hellfire... then don't you wonder just a little bit?

Jesus/the word is God

John 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 1:17–18 (ESV) — 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Romans 9:5 (ESV) — 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

1 John 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

 

[civic]

Jesus/the word is God

John 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 1:17–18 (ESV) — 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Romans 9:5 (ESV) — 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

1 John 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Amen !!!

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus/the word is God

John 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

2 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

John 1:17–18 (ESV) — 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Romans 9:5 (ESV) — 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

1 John 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

The above listed are not teachings. They are verses or half verses scattered all over the Bible. None of them are whole paragraphs or a chapter or two. You got nothing but bits and pieces of a few words in a verse that are often taken out of context, not understood how the word was written in the culture it was written in, or bad translations.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus/the word is God

John 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 John 1:1-2 calls the Word an it.

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Jesus didn't say "you" are God, but rather made a statement.

Titus 2:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

the great God and savior Jesus are two different persons. Paul says so in the opening of all of his letters, even Titus.
Titus 1
4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

2 Peter 1:1 (KJV 1900) — 1 SIMON Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

Two different persons again.

Hebrews 1:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Quoted from Psalm 45:6 regarding a human king.

John 1:17–18 (ESV) — 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

Now you've switched to the ESV. This version contains a contradiction because it says no one has seen God yet people saw Jesus.

Romans 9:5 (ESV) — 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

KJV says Jesus isn't God.

5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

1 John 5:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

The only God mentioned as the true God in all of Scripture is the Father YHWH. See Jeremiah 10:10, John 17:3, 1Thessalonians 1:9-10. So your argument is more grammatical and semantical rather than explicit. Based on all precedent, the true God is YHWH the Father and 1 John 5:20 refers to God as the Father.

 

[TomL]

The above listed are not teachings. They are verses or half verses scattered all over the Bible. None of them are whole paragraphs or a chapter or two. You got nothing but bits and pieces of a few words in a verse that are often taken out of context, not understood how the word was written in the culture it was written in, or bad translations.

That is nothing more than bald denial of scripture.

After making a statement that the bible does not teach the deity of Christ you run from verses affirming that very thing

 

[Peterlag]

That is nothing more than bald denial of scripture.

After making a statement that the bible does not teach the deity of Christ you run from verses affirming that very thing

I can go through your list one at a time. But I can't when you list 15 at a time. I'm writing to 5 other people on here at the same time and I'm typing as fast as I can.

 

[synergy]

I haven't made any claims about what you're talking about so the burden of proof is on you. You're the one who is upset that you got your toys taken away from you when I knocked your "Jesus is the I AM" theory on its rear using Acts 3:13 and Exodus 3:14,15.

How can anyone trust a person who says wacky things like this:

I believe something I don’t believe in

It's like saying I have something I don't have or I see something I don't see. Carry on with your dirt poor comprehension of basic human logic.

 

[civic]

How can anyone trust a person who says wacky things like this:

It's like saying I have something I don't have or I see something I don't see. Carry on with your dirt poor comprehension of basic human logic.

reason, logic, truth and spirit tossed out the door lol

 

[TomL]

1 John 1:1-2 calls the Word an it.

You have the same problem as another poster

How can an impersonal thing

have an attitude of humility?

Exist in the form of God?

Consider?

take another form?

Philippians 2:3–7 (NASB 2020) — 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility consider one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.

BTW there is no "it" in the Greek text

Jesus didn't say "you" are God, but rather made a statement.

Um Thomas not Jesus is speaking

And he says to Jesus my lord and my God

the great God and savior Jesus are two different persons. Paul says so in the opening of all of his letters, even Titus.

Not according to the Granville sharp rule of grammar

The Granville Sharp Rule states, “When the copulative kai connects two nouns of the same case, [viz. nouns (either substantive or adjective, or participles) of personal description, respecting office, dignity, affinity, or connexion, and attributes, properties, or qualities, good or ill], if the article ho, or any of its cases, precedes the first of the said nouns or participles, and is not repeated before the second noun or participle, the latter always relates to the same person that is expressed or described by the first noun orparticiple”

Titus 1
4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Two different persons again.

That does nothing at all to contradict trinitarian theology

Trinitarians always differentiate between the Father and the son

The question here is the deity of Christ

Tit 2:13 grammatically affirms that belief

Quoted from Psalm 45:6 regarding a human king.

Except in Heb it addresses Jesus Christ the ultimate referent who is the brightnes of his glory the express image of his person

Hebrews 1:1–10 (KJV 1900) — 1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

does sound like an impersonal it you referred to earlier?

Now you've switched to the ESV. This version contains a contradiction because it says no one has seen God yet people saw Jesus.

And?

Not in his pure divinity

KJV says Jesus isn't God.

No it doesn't. There is not a denial in the KJV

5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The only God mentioned as the true God in all of Scripture is the Father YHWH. See Jeremiah 10:10, John 17:3, 1Thessalonians 1:9-10. So your argument is more grammatical and semantical rather than explicit. Based on all precedent, the true God is YHWH the Father and 1 John 5:20 refers to God as the Father.

Romans 9:5 (ESV) — 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Romans 9:5 (LSB) — 5 whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Romans 9:5 (NIV) — 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

The KJV is not the only translation

 

[TomL]

I can go through your list one at a time. But I can't when you list 15 at a time. I'm writing to 5 other people on here at the same time and I'm typing as fast as I can.

I did not include 15

 

[Peterlag]

I did not include 15

Well, somebody listed I think a good 25 and said the same thing that you often say that I'm dodging. I can handle all of your verses because Jesus is not God. But please one verse at a time.

 

[TomL]

Well, somebody listed I think a good 25 and said the same thing that you often say that I'm dodging. I can handle all of your verses because Jesus is not God. But please one verse at a time.

Again the bible contradicts your claim

John 1:1–3 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

 

[Peterlag]

Again the bible contradicts your claim

John 1:1–3 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

“In the beginning.” There are elements of John 1:1 and other phrases in the introduction of John that remind us of God’s original creation while referring to the work of restoration done by Jesus Christ in the new administration and the new creation. Genesis 1 refers to God’s original creation; John 1 refers to the Restoration, not the original creation. Noted Bible commentator F.F. Bruce argues for this interpretation:

It is not by accident that the Gospel begins with the same phrase as the book of Genesis. In Genesis 1:1, ‘In the beginning’ introduces the story of the old creation; here it introduces the story of the new creation. In both works of creation the agent is the Word of God.a

The Racovian Catechism, one of the great doctrinal works of the Unitarian movement of the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, states that the word “beginning” in John 1:1 refers to the beginning of the new dispensation and thus is similar to Mark 1:1, which starts, “The beginning of the Gospel about Jesus Christ.” The phrase, “in the beginning was the word” does not refer to the “beginning” in Genesis 1:1, although God did have a plan back then too.

In the cited passage (John 1:1) wherein the Word is said to have been in the beginning, there is no reference to an antecedent eternity, without commencement; because mention is made here of a beginning, which is opposed to that eternity. But the word beginning, used absolutely, is to be understood of the subject matter under consideration. Thus...John 15:27, “And ye also shall bear witness because ye have been with me FROM the beginning.” John 16:4, “These things I said not unto you AT the beginning because I was with you.” And Acts 11:15, “And as I began to speak the Holy Spirit fell on them, as on us AT the beginning.” As then the matter of which John is treating is the Gospel, or the things transacted under the Gospel, nothing else ought to be understood here beside the beginning of the Gospel; a matter clearly known to the Christians whom he addressed, namely, the advent and preaching of John the Baptist, according to the testimony of all the evangelists [i.e., Matthew, Mark, Luke and John], each of whom begins his history with the coming and preaching of the Baptist. Mark indeed (chapter 1:1) expressly states that this was the beginning of the Gospel. In like manner, John himself employs the word beginning, placed thus absolutely, in the introduction to his First Epistle, at which beginning he uses the same term (logos) Word, as if he meant to be his own interpreter [“That which is from the beginning…concerning the Word (logos) of life.” 1 John 1:1].

 

[Runningman]

How can anyone trust a person who says wacky things like this:

It's like saying I have something I don't have or I see something I don't see. Carry on with your dirt poor comprehension of basic human logic.

John 8:58 = Jesus said "I am"
Exodus 3:14-15 = The God of Abraham is the I AM
Acts 3:13 = Jesus is not the God of Abraham

Too easy.

 

[civic]

John 8:58 = Jesus said "I am"
Exodus 3:14-15 = The God of Abraham is the I AM
Acts 3:13 = Jesus is not the God of Abraham

Too easy.

The same I Am in Exodus 3 is the same I Am below

12 I Am Sayings of Jesus


1. Bread
“I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger.” John 6:35


2. Light
“I am the light of the world; he who fallows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.” John 8:12


3. Gate
“I am the gate; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9


4. Good Shepherd
“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for His sheep.” John 10:11


5. Resurrection and Life
“I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies.” John 11:25


6. Way, Truth, Life
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” John 14:6


7. True vine
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1


8. I Am He-
unless you believe I Am He you will die in your sins” John 8:24


9. Before Abraham was born I AM- John 8:58

10. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev 22:13

11. I Am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star. Revelation 22:16

12. Who do people say I Am ? Matthew 16:13-16, Mark 8:27-29, Luke 9:18

Hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

“In the beginning.” There are elements of John 1:1 and other phrases in the introduction of John that remind us of God’s original creation while referring to the work of restoration done by Jesus Christ in the new administration and the new creation. Genesis 1 refers to God’s original creation; John 1 refers to the Restoration, not the original creation. Noted Bible commentator F.F. Bruce argues for this interpretation:

Um how did anything you state deny the deity of Christ?

PS post your FF Bruce reference

and BTW

Colossians 1:16 (NIV) — 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

Hebrews 1:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Ephesians 3:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

you cannot escape the fact all things were made by Him

 

[Runningman]

The same I Am in Exodus 3 is the same I Am below

12 I Am Sayings of Jesus


1. Bread
“I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger.” John 6:35


2. Light
“I am the light of the world; he who fallows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.” John 8:12


3. Gate
“I am the gate; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.” John 10:9


4. Good Shepherd
“I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for His sheep.” John 10:11


5. Resurrection and Life
“I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies.” John 11:25


6. Way, Truth, Life
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me.” John 14:6


7. True vine
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.” John 15:1


8. I Am He-
unless you believe I Am He you will die in your sins” John 8:24


9. Before Abraham was born I AM- John 8:58

10. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” Rev 22:13

11. I Am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star. Revelation 22:16

12. Who do people say I Am ? Matthew 16:13-16, Mark 8:27-29, Luke 9:18

Hope this helps !!!

Is your point that any time someone says "I am" it's a claim to deity?