Jesus denied being God

[Peterlag]

Of course you are

How can an impersonal thing

have an attitude of humility?

Exist in the form of God?

Consider?

take another form?

Philippians 2:3–7 (NASB 2020) — 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility consider one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.

Concerning Philippians 2:6... A study of other lexicons (many of them Trinitarian) gives a totally different picture than does Vine’s Lexicon. E. W. Bullinger gives morphē a one-word definition, “form. The scholarly lexicon by Walter Bauer, translated and revised by Arndt and Gingrich, has under morphē, “form, outward appearance, shape.” Gerard Kittel, TDNT, has “form, external appearance.” Kittel also notes that morphē and schema are often interchangeable. Robert Thayer, in his well-respected lexicon, has under morphē, “the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision; the external appearance.” Thayer says that the Greeks said that children reflect the appearance (morphē) of their parents, something easily noticed in every culture. Thayer also notes that some scholars try to make morphē refer to that which is intrinsic and essential, in contrast to that which is outward and accidental, but says, “the distinction is rejected by many.”

 

[civic]

Do tell us where in the world did you get your version of John 1:1 from the Koine Greek version of John 1:1???

1 εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

Here is a transliteration of it:
In beginning is the Word and the Word is facing God and God is the Word.

Yes face to face as in person to person which is the meaning in the Greek

 

[Runningman]

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NASB 1995 Par ▾ Introduction, The Incarnate Word 1What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.

This doesn’t describe an incarnation. They didn’t use the word incarnation because that isn’t what happened. As I already said, 1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word an it. I didn’t write it

1 John 1:1 uses "ὅ" (ho), a relative pronoun, that functions similarly to "that" or "which" in English. "ὅ" (ho) is being used to refer to the subject being discussed, the Word of life. "ὅ" (ho) is used repeatedly through 1 John 1:1-3, to refer back to the subject John is discussing. Therefore, John is calling the Word a thing throughout this passage.

Back to John 1. The Word became flesh in John 1:14. It means the Word was involved in flesh coming into being. Jesus was created.

 

[civic]

This doesn’t describe an incarnation. They didn’t use the word incarnation because that isn’t what happened. As I already said, 1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word an it. I didn’t write it

1 John 1:1 uses "ὅ" (ho), a relative pronoun, that functions similarly to "that" or "which" in English. "ὅ" (ho) is being used to refer to the subject being discussed, the Word of life. "ὅ" (ho) is used repeatedly through 1 John 1:1-3, to refer back to the subject John is discussing. Therefore, John is calling the Word a thing throughout this passage.

Back to John 1. The Word became flesh in John 1:14. It means the Word was involved in flesh coming into being. Jesus was created.

Sure it does like other passages declare !

1Tim3:16-And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hope this helps !!!

 

[Runningman]

Sure it does like other passages declare !

1Tim3:16-And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Hope this helps !!!

I am just witnessing what the Bible says. No Word saying or doing anything in the Old Testament. No word saying or doing anything in the New Testament. John called the Word a thing, John didn’t believe Jesus is God clearly, in John 1:1 the Word isn’t the definite God anyway.

Your “Word is God” doctrine is among the weakest doctrines in Scripture. It’s just personification. Spoken words aren’t an actual person.

 

[civic]

I am just witnessing what the Bible says. No Word saying or doing anything in the Old Testament. No word saying or doing anything in the New Testament. John called the Word a thing, John didn’t believe Jesus is God clearly, in John 1:1 the Word isn’t the definite God anyway.

Your “Word is God” doctrine is among the weakest doctrines in Scripture. It’s just personification. Spoken words aren’t an actual person.

The Word who was God ( John 1:1c) became man ( John 1:14) is called God manifest in the flesh ( 1Tom 3:16)

Case closed as Scripture exposed your error.

 

[Runningman]

The Word who was God ( John 1:1c) became man ( John 1:14) is called God manifest in the flesh ( 1Tom 3:16)

Case closed as Scripture exposed your error.

That’s personification. Read the entire chapter of John 1.

John 1:1 says in rte beginning was the Word.

1 John 1:1 says that which was from the beginning they saw, heard, and touch. Obviously not the literal beginning of creation since the apostles weren’t there to see, hear, or touch it.

It refers to the beginning of Jesus’ ministry when the Word came into him. He was already 30 years old when this happened.

 

[synergy]

It refers to the beginning of Jesus’ ministry when the Word came into him. He was already 30 years old when this happened.

Tell us about your fairy tales. I'll get the !!!

 

[civic]

That’s personification. Read the entire chapter of John 1.

John 1:1 says in rte beginning was the Word.

1 John 1:1 says that which was from the beginning they saw, heard, and touch. Obviously not the literal beginning of creation since the apostles weren’t there to see, hear, or touch it.

It refers to the beginning of Jesus’ ministry when the Word came into him. He was already 30 years old when this happened.

Nope it’s God becoming man.

Next

 

[Runningman]

Tell us about your fairy tales. I'll get the !!!

Feels good. My OP has not been debunked and it never will be because you can’t. No one can lol. It’s quite true that the Bible doesn’t have a commandment to pray to Jesus and the word prayer is not used in conjunction with speaking to Jesus. lol. Thanks for playing all, but I already have the upper hand with post 1.

Stay tuned for more threads where Jesus taught something that debunks the trinity. I have several more topics coming over the next few weeks.

 

[synergy]

Feels good. My OP has not been debunked and it never will be because you can’t. No one can lol. It’s quite true that the Bible doesn’t have a commandment to pray to Jesus and the word prayer is not used in conjunction with speaking to Jesus. lol. Thanks for playing all, but I already have the upper hand with post 1.

Stay tuned for more threads where Jesus taught something that debunks the trinity. I have several more topics coming over the next few weeks.

So you chose once again to be true to your name and to run away from supporting your Judaizing heretical statements mentioned by you below:

It refers to the beginning of Jesus’ ministry when the Word came into him. He was already 30 years old when this happened.

Run Runningman Run!!!!

 

[Runningman]

So you chose once again to be true to your name and to run away from supporting your Judaizing heretical statements mentioned by you below:

Run Runningman Run!!!!

That’s a cop out. lol I’ve been doing this for years and you’re going to wish I would run away. I plan to be here for many years to come.

 

[synergy]

That’s a cop out. lol I’ve been doing this for years and you’re going to wish I would run away. I plan to be here for many years to come.

That is indeed a cop out by you to once again run away from exposing further your heretical ideas. I've got enough popcorn here to last me for hours. Go ahead and spew out your heresies for all to see.

You're the one who continues to choose the following action of:

Run Runningman Run!!!!

 

[civic]

Feels good. My OP has not been debunked and it never will be because you can’t. No one can lol. It’s quite true that the Bible doesn’t have a commandment to pray to Jesus and the word prayer is not used in conjunction with speaking to Jesus. lol. Thanks for playing all, but I already have the upper hand with post 1.

Stay tuned for more threads where Jesus taught something that debunks the trinity. I have several more topics coming over the next few weeks.

It’s been refuted by many believes here who love Christ and don’t hate Him( love less) like you.

 

[Runningman]

It’s been refuted by many believes here who love Christ and don’t hate Him( love less) like you.

False accusation. It wasn't our God who taught you to be an accuser. You're doing the works for your father.

 

[Runningman]

That is indeed a cop out by you to once again run away from exposing further your heretical ideas. I've got enough popcorn here to last me for hours. Go ahead and spew out your heresies for all to see.

You're the one who continues to choose the following action of:

Run Runningman Run!!!!

The below looks like Jesus denied being God. When I've evangelized, most people who have never read the Bible or heard or Jesus agree that this looks like Jesus is claiming to not be God because that's the correct and common sense way to understand what he said. The only people who have an extremely difficult time with this are trinitarians who have shut their eyes and ears tightly to anything, even the Bible, when it contradicts their belief system.

Matthew 19
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Mark 10
18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Luke 18
19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

 

[Fred]

The below looks like Jesus denied being God.

It will look like that to you because you close your eyes to the truth.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-the-trinity-is-wrong-language-usage.201/page-10#post-110881

 

[Runningman]

It will look like that to you because you close your eyes to the truth.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-the-trinity-is-wrong-language-usage.201/page-10#post-110881

When I've asked this question to non-believers, I left it open and asked them to tell me what it means. I didn't lead them or guide them or suggest anything because I want to know how people see this. I heard some wild and crazy things, but the majority said Jesus was saying he isn't God. Maybe you are so heavily indoctrinated you can't see any differently.

 

[Fred]

When I've asked this question to non-believers,

1 Corinthians 2:14

 

[Runningman]

1 Corinthians 2:14

Jesus denied being God. He also never said he is God. Looks like he isn't God by his own words. Why do you have a problem with the Father being the only true God like Jesus said?