Jesus denied being God

Peterlag has conflated the writings with the person of Christ. Christ is the Word but scripture is only a writing about the Word. We can see this example of someone going on his own to redefine scripture and its meaning.
And the Word is a Person who was God ( John 1:1c) and became flesh ( John 1:14) a man. We call it the Incarnation- God became man.

anyone reading John 1:1-14 for the first time would come to these conclusions which are stated in the text.

1- He was in the beginning just the same as God was in Genesis 1:1
2- He is called God
3- He created all things and nothing was created without Him
4- He is the fountain of all life
5- He became a man and dwelled among us. The Incarnation
 
Concerning John 1:14 which I will respond to because I think you wanted me to respond to what you post...

The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.
None of that is found in scripture

John 1:1–31 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

The word was personal. He created all things. He was with the God and he had glory with the God existing in the form of God not an impersonal word, plan or purpose

According to his own word he came down from heaven. Before Abraham he existed
 
You had said...

TomL said:
It is a matter of translation and the fact Jesus was not literally begotten by God

Here the term is used in relation to the resurrection

Acts 13:33 (KJV 1900) — 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

I merely suggested
"Find a proper explanation for the word begotten and quit assuming you know what is meant when there is nothing written to support what you believe.

Every translation is faulty at best for not everything can be translated between languages."
I quoted lexical glosses

My Bible Word Study

Lemma


μονογενής monogenēs one and only; only; only-begotten; unique; alone

LXGNTLEX one and only; only

LXLXXLEX only-begotten; unique; alone

BAGD

GELNT

TDNT

VCEDONTW

ESL

Louw-Nida unique, only

MGLNT only, only begotten

DBL Greek unique

WSNTDICT

LXGRCANLEX one and only; only; one and only

NASB Dictionaries only begotten

MCEDONTW only-begotten; only-born; unique

VEDONTW

LSJ the only member of a kin; kind; only, single

LEH LXX Lexicon the only member of a kin, only-begotten, only; id.; alone in its kind, one only

IGEL only-begotten; single; one and the same

TDNTA

CDWGTHB only-born; sole; only (begotten, child)

LALS only-begotten; unique; alone; יָחִיד; only; lonely, deserted

BEDBW

PLGNT

STGHD only-born

The word in scripture is used in ways not true of a literal begetting



I am not guessing
 
What baffles me is how it can be that people do not understand In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... nor, And the Word became flesh (For they refuse to even try to understand in their limited mortal brains.... that In the beginning YHWH had a plan)

BUT these very same people will debate to the death to support an equally ( if you will) unexplainable occurrence of how a little Jewish girl, by the name of Mary... actually became pregnant while still being a virgin.... And continue to believe that this baby, who grew to be a man was strictly a
mortal... no different then you or I.

Another biblical fallacy???? "The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; for that reason also the holy Child will be called the Son of God.

The only other possibility would be that somehow Joseph or even another somehow... well, I best not say it.

If how this baby boy came into existence is true. I happen to believe it to be so...... then both parts are so.

And I have no reason to want it to be otherwise.....

Why would anyone?
Read the context of the scriptures and summary posted

The word is personal. He did personal things. He existed in the form of God. He was God (of the same quality as the God)

There is nothing in the text about merely being a plan
 
None of that is found in scripture

John 1:1–31 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. 19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. 24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? 26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; 27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe’s latchet I am not worthy to unloose. 28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. 29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. 31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

The word was personal. He created all things. He was with the God and he had glory with the God existing in the form of God not an impersonal word, plan or purpose

According to his own word he came down from heaven. Before Abraham he existed
You listed a whole chapter and so I need you to tell me what verse you want me to respond to because last time I did not respond because there were 30 verses. And that's when you accused me of not responding. So which verse above do you think says Jesus is God?
 
You listed a whole chapter and so I need you to tell me what verse you want me to respond to because last time I did not respond because there were 30 verses. And that's when you accused me of not responding. So which verse above do you think says Jesus is God?
From the passage the following facts are discovered

1 the word is stated to be God
2 the word became flesh
3 Jesus is identified as the one spoken of

which can you deny
 
From the passage the following facts are discovered

1 the word is stated to be God
2 the word became flesh
3 Jesus is identified as the one spoken of

which can you deny
Amen God manifest in the flesh as the Scripture declares.
 
I quoted lexical glosses

My Bible Word Study

Lemma


μονογενής monogenēs one and only; only; only-begotten; unique; alone

LXGNTLEX one and only; only

LXLXXLEX only-begotten; unique; alone

BAGD

GELNT

TDNT

VCEDONTW

ESL

Louw-Nida unique, only

MGLNT only, only begotten

DBL Greek unique

WSNTDICT

LXGRCANLEX one and only; only; one and only

NASB Dictionaries only begotten

MCEDONTW only-begotten; only-born; unique

VEDONTW

LSJ the only member of a kin; kind; only, single

LEH LXX Lexicon the only member of a kin, only-begotten, only; id.; alone in its kind, one only

IGEL only-begotten; single; one and the same

TDNTA

CDWGTHB only-born; sole; only (begotten, child)

LALS only-begotten; unique; alone; יָחִיד; only; lonely, deserted

BEDBW

PLGNT

STGHD only-born

The word in scripture is used in ways not true of a literal begetting



I am not guessing
What is a literal begetting?
 
Read the context of the scriptures and summary posted

The word is personal. He did personal things. He existed in the form of God. He was God (of the same quality as the God)

There is nothing in the text about merely being a plan
You have quite the interesting view of what is right in front of your face.

If you cannot see and comprehend things from the beginning no sense in anyone trying to explain.

Blessings
 
And the Word is a Person who was God ( John 1:1c) and became flesh ( John 1:14) a man. We call it the Incarnation- God became man.

anyone reading John 1:1-14 for the first time would come to these conclusions which are stated in the text.

1- He was in the beginning just the same as God was in Genesis 1:1
2- He is called God
3- He created all things and nothing was created without Him
4- He is the fountain of all life
5- He became a man and dwelled among us. The Incarnation
1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word an it, not a person. The Word is being personified in John 1:1. There are no examples of any pre-existent beings known as the Word in the Old Testament. The Greek grammar requires the Word be a thing in 1 John 1:1-3. This is also pretty much how all translations render it as well.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
 
From the passage the following facts are discovered

1 the word is stated to be God
2 the word became flesh
3 Jesus is identified as the one spoken of

which can you deny
Well, let's look at the first. Words are not living beings. Even more so words are not gods. Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God's self-expression or communication of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation and especially the heavens. It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture. Most notably it has come into being through His Son. The logos is the expression of God and is His communication of Himself just as a "word" is an outward expression of a person's thoughts. This outward expression of God has now occurred through His Son and thus it's perfectly understandable why Jesus is called the "Word." Jesus is an outward expression of God's reason, wisdom, purpose and plan. For the same reason we call revelation "a word from God" and the Bible "the Word of God."

If we understand that the logos is God's expression... His plan, purpose, reason and wisdom. Then it is clear they were with Him "in the beginning." Scripture says God's wisdom was "from the beginning" and it was common in Hebrew writing to personify a concept such as wisdom. The fact that the logos "became" flesh shows it did not exist that way before. There is no pre-existence for Jesus in this verse other than his figurative "existence" as the plan, purpose or wisdom of God for the salvation of man. The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.
 
1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word an it, not a person. The Word is being personified in John 1:1. There are no examples of any pre-existent beings known as the Word in the Old Testament. The Greek grammar requires the Word be a thing in 1 John 1:1-3. This is also pretty much how all translations render it as well.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
Do tell us where in the world did you get your version of John 1:1 from the Koine Greek version of John 1:1??? 😲

1 εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

Here is a transliteration of it:
In beginning is the Word and the Word is facing God and God is the Word.
 
1 John 1:1-3 calls the Word an it, not a person. The Word is being personified in John 1:1. There are no examples of any pre-existent beings known as the Word in the Old Testament. The Greek grammar requires the Word be a thing in 1 John 1:1-3. This is also pretty much how all translations render it as well.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have gazed upon and touched with our own hands—this is the Word of life. 2And this is the life that was revealed; we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life that was with the Father and was revealed to us.
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1 John 1
NASB 1995 Par ▾
Introduction, The Incarnate Word

1What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we have looked at and touched with our hands, concerning the Word of Life— 2and the life was manifested, and we have seen and testify and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us— 3what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. 4These things we write, so that our joy may be made complete.
 
Well, let's look at the first. Words are not living beings. Even more so words are not gods. Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah." The word logos in John 1:1 refers to God's creative self-expression... His reason, purpose and plans, especially as they are brought into action. It refers to God's self-expression or communication of Himself. This has come to pass through His creation and especially the heavens. It has come through the spoken word of the prophets and through Scripture. Most notably it has come into being through His Son. The logos is the expression of God and is His communication of Himself just as a "word" is an outward expression of a person's thoughts. This outward expression of God has now occurred through His Son and thus it's perfectly understandable why Jesus is called the "Word." Jesus is an outward expression of God's reason, wisdom, purpose and plan. For the same reason we call revelation "a word from God" and the Bible "the Word of God."

If we understand that the logos is God's expression... His plan, purpose, reason and wisdom. Then it is clear they were with Him "in the beginning." Scripture says God's wisdom was "from the beginning" and it was common in Hebrew writing to personify a concept such as wisdom. The fact that the logos "became" flesh shows it did not exist that way before. There is no pre-existence for Jesus in this verse other than his figurative "existence" as the plan, purpose or wisdom of God for the salvation of man. The same is true with the "word" in writing. It had no literal pre-existence as a "spirit-book" somehow in eternity past, but came into being as God gave the revelation to people and they wrote it down.
You are ignoring the personal facts. For example creation. For another personal glory with the Father before the word was. The mutual love between the father and the son. The fact he existed in the form of God. His humility - The fact that he did not seek to hold on to equality with God but made himself of no repute. The fact Jesus speaks of his existence before the incarnation in personal term state he came down from heaven to do the will of the father

These are not characteristics or action of an impersonal reality
gd
 
You have quite the interesting view of what is right in front of your face.

If you cannot see and comprehend things from the beginning no sense in anyone trying to explain.

Blessings
You have provided nothing to rebut my comments or prove your view

Explain how this is impersonal

Philippians 2:5–7 (NASB 2020) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.
 
You are ignoring the personal facts. For example creation. For another personal glory with the Father before the word was. The mutual love between the father and the son. The fact he existed in the form of God. His humility - The fact that he did not seek to hold on to equality with God but made himself of no repute. The fact Jesus speaks of his existence before the incarnation in personal term state he came down from heaven to do the will of the father

These are not characteristics or action of an impersonal reality
gd
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm commenting on the verses you provide which is what you have asked of me. And yet you still say I'm not responding. So many of you when you get to heaven that is if you make it since you do not know who the Christ is are going to find yourself in shock that you believed such a huge lie concerning the most important subject.
 
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm commenting on the verses you provide which is what you have asked of me. And yet you still say I'm not responding. So many of you when you get to heaven that is if you make it since you do not know who the Christ is are going to find yourself in shock that you believed such a huge lie concerning the most important subject.
Of course you are

How can an impersonal thing

have an attitude of humility?

Exist in the form of God?

Consider?

take another form?

Philippians 2:3–7 (NASB 2020) — 3 Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility consider one another as more important than yourselves; 4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others. 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men.
 
Procreation

The father did not indulge in sex with a woman to produce a child

Watchtower doctrine is that he was created not begotten but the term does not support their doctrine
And neither did the Holy Spirit, from whom came Jesus.

Mary was still intact the day Jesus was born.
 
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