charismaticlady
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Asking a question knowing the answer is not proof He was saying He, Himself, was not God. He knew that who he was speaking to didn't know that. He taught the people in parables. He taught the disciples the truth.
Jesus denied being God
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He was asking the rich ruler if he was really calling Him as his God, calling Him out so to speak
charismaticlady
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The rich young ruler merely said "Good Teacher" having nothing to do with deity. This correction was honoring God as the only thing that is good. Same as when Jesus said, call no man father, but God. Jesus was always giving honor to God. He didn't reveal Himself for some time as being God, Himself.
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Runningman
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Who taught Jesus the things that Jesus was teaching people though?
John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me.
Runningman
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I'll just stick with what the Bible says instead.
Runningman
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You have not even got a toe in the door as far as providing evidence that Jesus is an incarnate being.
Runningman
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Yes, they bowed to him in homage as their exalted master.
Runningman
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In John 17:3, the word "only" means alone. One can say that the Father is alone the true God, meaning that cannot include other persons. Yes, it does exclude Jesus from deity.
Runningman
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Yes Jesus is inferior to God. Jesus said so.
John 14
28You heard Me say, ‘I am going away, and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, because the Father is greater than I.
charismaticlady
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This is correct. Just as those born again of the Spirit have the mind of Christ, Jesus had the mind of the Father. It is also said, we have the seed of the Father. The Father and Son are One. The seed of the Father in us is how we become conformed to the image of the Son and are free of sins unto death. Born again Christians have a clean nature, not a sin nature like many denominations teach heretically. Flee from any denomination that degrades the crucifixion by teaching Jesus failed to take away our sin. Make sure you are born again of the Spirit and have no desire to commit willful lawless sin; otherwise, Jesus will say He never knew them.
One test is 1 John 3:22. For the first 30 years of my life not one prayer was answered. After I became born again of the Spirit 100% of my prayers have been answered since 1977. I do what Jesus did. I hear God's voice and do not pray anything I do not first hear God tell me to pray. That is hundreds of prayers answered. We must all abide in Jesus, and He in us for us to be saved.
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Indeed if you do not believe John 1, you will not believe someone sharing the truths of that with you. The hyperliteralist reading prevents you from understanding the text in its context.
charismaticlady
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At that time, of course. The Word (before becoming flesh) emptied Himself of the glories He had when He was equal with the Father. Before the crucifixion Jesus prayed to the Father to restore those glories that He had before. Omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience.
This is why He had to return to heaven to send His Spirit to fill all believers. In human form Jesus could not be everywhere at once making Him God, but less than the Father. That is why Jesus said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father." Jesus and the Father are One.
Runningman
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So Jesus isn't the "good teacher" because Jesus got all of his teachings from Someone else called God the Father. If "God the Son" or the "Word" is God incarnate in Jesus then Jesus did not have access to omniscience, but instead relied fully upon his God to instruct him what to do. That's why Jesus said "there is no one good except God alone" because that's true. Hence Jesus denied being God. The trinity is a fake god. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Runningman
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"The Father is greater than I" shows that the Father is greater than Jesus. You can't change it. Jesus and God are not equal.
charismaticlady
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He was speaking of "good." Jesus always honored the Father over Himself. He was humble. Jesus never denied being God. He didn't bring it up at all for a long time. And that truth had to have been revealed to the person by the Spirit, like Peter, Thomas and Nathaniel. He didn't correct them. When the people said to Herod, "you are a god, and not a man" and Herod didn't give honor to God, an angel struck him with worms that ate him and he died. Jesus was fully God, but also fully man honoring the Father.
The only way you will know and acknowledge that Jesus is God is by the Spirit. Until then you will deny His deity, and even teach others to do the same. I remember when the Spirit revealed to me that Jesus was God. It shocked me. I even wrote "JESUS IS GOD!" on the margin of my Bible at Titus 2:13. I never denied Him of Who He is again. You may be not only grieving the Spirit, but quenching Him and will never know the "deeper things of God" that the Spirit of God reveals to His own.
Runningman
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What did Jesus not correct them about? There is no such reference to anyone stating to Jesus "You are God" anywhere in the Bible. Jesus also never claimed to be God either.
Titus 2:13 is what I am quoting too and it makes no such mention of Jesus being God. Please explain how you are seeing otherwise. This verse shows distinction between God and Jesus.
Titus 2
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
That's what I believe about you. How about just show any evidence why you believe what do.
charismaticlady
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John 20:28 "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
John 8:58 "
58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
"I AM" is the name of God, from the burning bush.
Because of the words "glorious appearing." The Father is Spirit and invisible. You can see Jesus.
How can I make you believe my testimony? I can't. It is up to the Spirit to show you. Ask the Spirit of Truth to reveal to you personally who Jesus is. Whether or not Jesus is God and the I AM, or He isn't.
Peterlag
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They say Psalms 110:1 teaches the Trinity...
Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I will explain the verse to you.
Psalms 110:1
The LORD [God] said unto my [David's Lord, who is Jesus Christ] Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Where's the Trinity?
Psalms 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I will explain the verse to you.
Psalms 110:1
The LORD [God] said unto my [David's Lord, who is Jesus Christ] Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Where's the Trinity?
Wow. It would seem that you would get beyond such petty responses. It is sufficient to see this points to the preexistent One who becomes incarnate as Jesus. This is the basic point that throws all unitarian arguments under the bus.
The argument by the Christian then is sort of like someone speaking of a wonderful new car with everything ready to run. The lack of gasoline is a necessary detail but can be added just before taking the car out of the car dealer lot.
Runningman
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So YHWH spoke to someone not named YHWH. Just another example of how Jesus isn't God. Some believe, some don't.
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