But didn't you say earlier that Gentiles have Ethnic Cleansing coming to them of God?
Israel is the Elect of God
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jeremiah1five
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No, I said that when Israel finally inhabits the land Promised them of God that Scripture says there will be no non-Hebrew Gentiles living there with the Jews. Christ Himself cleanses the land, deports them, ethnically cleanses, whatever words you want to use to describe it. If they are there, they will be removed. And it will be the first time Jews obtain all the land Promised them and as never before experienced, there will be no non-Hebrew Gentiles living in the Promised Land alongside them.But didn't you say earlier that Gentiles have Ethnic Cleansing coming to them of God?
jeremiah1five
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I C U don't accept God as true thus calling Him a liar.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 Jn 5:9–12.
Basically, to disbelieve God's Word is to disbelieve God and in effect are calling Him a liar.
This applies:
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
They are corrupt, they have done abominable works,
Ps 14:1.
This doesn't mean the fool doesn't believe in the existence of God. That's facetious. All men have eternity placed in their hearts by God.
What the Psalmist is saying is he doesn't believe God is going to do all He's promised or said He'd do (which is the same as what your words indicate by rejecting God's Word which is the same as "He's not going to do "that" or "this" (what He said or says in His Word.) It pretty much reflects and reveals your heart as corrupt and marred by something in your life. One cannot call themselves Christ-follower and not follow.
jeremiah1five
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Identify Gentiles.
Are they committed to God half-Jew and half-Gentile circumcised proselytes?
Or are they committed uncircumcised half-Jew and half-Gentile God-Fearers like the Roman centurion and Cornelius?
The Roman hierarchy including the army was not all Italians. They conquered every people their foot landed and included many ethnicities in their form of governing - including their army. And due to the conquest and exile of the Jews from their homeland 600-700 years before many Jews integrated with non-Hebrews and had offspring. Many were raised Gentile; many were raised Jewish and faithful to God and His Law. Learn history.
Because if these Gentiles have at least one Hebrew parent in their ancestry then they are still Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
Then there are "Gentiles" like the descendants of Ishmael and Esau who are Abraham's seed but not in the family line of Promise and inheritance.
If you claim these Gentiles are non-Hebrew, then you break Scripture and violate what it says by adding/changing the Promise God gave to Abram the Hebrew to include non-Hebrew Gentiles. God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
All the Word of God describes the Hebrew history and God's saving them in the process of time - even the New Covenant writings are written to Jews and Jewish Christians to explain, discuss, and cause the Jews to understand the New Covenant era they found themselves in with the Advent of the Son and the Advent of the Holy Spirit Promised TO THEM (Hebrews).
God would not violate His own Word by promising His Spirit to His people and turn to give Him to non-Hebrews.
101G
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is the ELECT of God or the Lord Jesus the Christ?
Matthew 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:31 "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
the ELECT belongs to the Lord Jesus the Christ, who is God. and who is the Lord's? answer, 2 Corinthians 5:16 "Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more." 2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
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DavidTree
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Which is the very thing we have pointing you to = His WORD
Unfortunately you seem to disregard God's words = SEE Gospel, Acts, Galatians, Epheshians, Romans
God said Abraham is the 'father of nations(goyim)' becaus eAbraham believed God's Word.
You disregard this MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH from Scripture.
Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.
13For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God
jeremiah1five
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In Genesis "nations" did not mean "non-Hebrew Gentile."
It's impossible for two Hebrew parents to birth a non-Hebrew son (Isaac.)
There is also the nation of Israel. Surely it cannot mean "non-Hebrew" nation of Israel.
The nations that did come "out of thee" (Abraham) were the descendants of Ishmael and Esau. These are the "nations" - STILL of Hebrew descent - that "come out of thee" (Abraham.)
Same is said in the prophecy to Sarah.
16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac,
Gen. 17:16–21.
In other words one can be seed of Abraham and Hebrew - although half Egyptian as well, and not be the seed bearing the promises and the inheritance.
This plays out as we get into Genesis, Exodus, and so on.
So, after Christ one can be of Jewish-Gentile heritage and be considered "nations" if they lived as a Gentile, and be considered "nations" if they lived as a Hebrew/Jew. Both are still the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the Promise.
Read the Promise in Genesis. God lays out the requirements and the blessings and curses of obedience - not faith.
DavidTree
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Your response above undermines any credibility on your biblical understanding.
We faithful Saints of the Most High Elohim do not follow unbelief towards God and His Word.
#1 TRUTH = Gospel foretold in Genesis where Abraham represents the FATHER, Isaac the SON, Jacob the Holy Spirit
#2 TRUTH = God established His Covenant with CHRIST(foretold in Isaac) = Romans chapter 9
#3 TRUTH = God is a Spirit - John 4:24
#4 TRUTH = We are Born-Again by the Spirit of God - John 3:1-12
#5 TRUTH = When we are Born-Again we are Spiritualy and Eternally placed into the Household of God = Ephesians ch2 & Hebrews 3:1-6
#6 TRUTH = We become Israelites of God thru adoption = Romans chapters 8 thru 11
#7 TRUTH = ONE NEW MAN = Jew & Gentile in MESSIAH = GOSPEL , Ephesians and Galatians
#8 TRUTH = Gospel is for ALL Nations = Genesis, Gospel of John, Acts, Matt ch24, Revelation = RESURRECTION
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jeremiah1five
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The "faithful saints" are the children of Israel. They are called "saints" by God in the Old Testament.
Yes, and so does the body, soul, and spirit represent the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
No, God established/made covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)
It was Christ that fulfilled the Abraham covenant - and the Mosaic Covenant as well.
Yes.
Yes. But you use the "we" to refer to Gentiles and that is incorrect.
The "we" are the children of Israel.
Again, the "we" are the children of Israel, NOT Gentiles.
Israel are the Israelites of God. There in nothing in the Law, Psalms, of the Prophets that say otherwise.
The "one new man" are anyone who is the seed of Abraham and born again.
The good news is to and for the children of Israel in covenant with God and to whom Christ came to and died for.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
Jn 1:31.
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4–5.
David Koberstein
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Sounds like antisemitic Replacement Theology to me.
David Koberstein
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Sounds like antisemitic Replacement Theology to me.
David Koberstein
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Sounds like Replacement Theology to me.
civic
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exactly
David Koberstein
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I'm reading a good book called Christian Antisemitism. Confronting the lies in today's church, by Michael L. Brown
civic
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I love Dr. Brown and listen to his podcasts often and his debates. He had a good one a couple weeks ago about Gog/Magog.
David Koberstein
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Yes he is one of my favorite authors as well
civic
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And he is a great old/new testament linguistic expert.
brightfame52
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I dont care what it sounds like to you.
David Koberstein
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You probably don't, because you don't understand what it is.
brightfame52
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Lol, doesnt matter what you think friend.
