Jehovah was sent
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all,
It's just unbelievable as to how supposed to be Christians, believers, are so deceived. Example, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."
who came, The LORD, or the Lord? now before anyone answer, read 1 Peter 1:10 and 11 first.
101G.
It's just unbelievable as to how supposed to be Christians, believers, are so deceived. Example, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."
who came, The LORD, or the Lord? now before anyone answer, read 1 Peter 1:10 and 11 first.
101G.
Um this was the topic of the thread
Zechariah 2:6–9 (UASV) — 6 Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north, declares Jehovah. For I have scattered you to the four winds of the heavens, declares Jehovah. 7 Come, Zion! Make your escape, you who are dwelling with the daughter of Babylon. 8 For this is what Jehovah of armies, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches my eyeball. 9 “Look, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that Jehovah of armies has sent me.
101G
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see, you still don't understand who God is, and especially ..... "WHAT" and "WHO" he is. nor do you know God personal Name. it is not Jehovah.
now question, "is God a diversity of himself? yes or no. this will tell if you see the LIGHT clearly or still afar off.
101G (
You still did not address the passage
Zechariah 2:6–9 (UASV) — 6 Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north, declares Jehovah. For I have scattered you to the four winds of the heavens, declares Jehovah. 7 Come, Zion! Make your escape, you who are dwelling with the daughter of Babylon. 8 For this is what Jehovah of armies, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches my eyeball. 9 “Look, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that Jehovah of armies has sent me.
And no God is not a diversity of Himself The one being manidests as three persons
thus in the passage above one sends the other
Johann
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כִּי כֹּה־אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת (Kī kōh-ʾāmar YHWH ṣəvāʾōt)
Translation: "For thus said YHWH of hosts..."
This introduces YHWH (Jehovah) as the speaker. The particle כִּי (kī) often introduces an explanation or cause, and the phrase כֹּה אָמַר (kōh ʾāmar) is a prophetic formula signaling divine speech. YHWH is explicitly identified as the origin of the statement.
אַחַר כָּבוֹד שְׁלָחַנִי (ʾaḥar kāḇōḏ šəlaḥanī)
Translation: "After glory [or for the sake of glory] He sent me..."
אַחַר (ʾaḥar) means "after" or "for the sake of." The phrase is ambiguous—it could refer to something temporal ("after [His] glory") or causative ("for the purpose of glory").
שְׁלָחַנִי (šəlaḥanī) is a Qal perfect, 3rd person masculine singular verb, with a 1st person singular suffix ("He sent me"). This indicates someone (YHWH) sending another (the speaker). The suffix makes it clear that the speaker ("me") is distinct from the one sending.
אֶל־הַגּוֹיִם הַשֹּׁלְלִים אֶתְכֶם (ʾel-haggōyīm haššōləlīm ʾetḵem)
Translation: "To the nations who plundered you."
אֶל (ʾel) is a preposition meaning "to" or "against," introducing the target of the mission.
הַשֹּׁלְלִים (haššōləlīm) is a Qal active participle meaning "plundering." This describes the nations oppressing Israel.
כִּי הַנֹּגֵעַ בָּכֶם נֹגֵעַ בְּבָבַת עֵינוֹ (kī hannōgēaʿ bākem nōgēaʿ bəḇaḇaṯ ʿēnō)
Translation: "For whoever touches you touches the apple of His eye."
This metaphor emphasizes the intimate and protective relationship YHWH has with His people. The verb נֹגֵעַ (nōgēaʿ, "touches") is repeated for emphasis.
Syntactical Relationship of the Sending:
The subject of שְׁלָחַנִי (šəlaḥanī, "He sent me") is not explicitly restated but clearly refers to יְהוָה צְבָאוֹת (YHWH of hosts) from the previous clause. This aligns grammatically with the standard syntax in Hebrew, where the speaker (here, the "sent one") is distinct from the sender.
The phrase אַחַר כָּבוֹד (ʾaḥar kāḇōḏ) may suggest that the sending happens after YHWH's glory is revealed, or it could imply that the mission is for the purpose of glorifying YHWH. This phrase is open to interpretative nuance.
Etymology of Key Terms:
שְׁלָחַנִי (šəlaḥanī, "He sent me"):
Root: שׁ־ל־ח (š-l-ḥ), meaning "to send." It conveys commissioning or dispatching, often with a purpose. The verb is used extensively in the context of prophets or messengers sent by YHWH.
כָּבוֹד (kāḇōḏ, "glory"):
Root: כ־ב־ד (k-b-d), meaning "to be heavy" or "weighty." In the context of YHWH, it refers to divine majesty, honor, or splendor. Here it might denote the manifestation of YHWH's glory as the motivating force behind the sending.
The grammar and syntax strongly suggest that YHWH is the sender, and the speaker (the "me" in šəlaḥanī) is the one sent. The "sent one" acts on behalf of YHWH to confront the nations that plundered Israel. Depending on the interpretive tradition, this "sent one" could be:
A prophetic figure (e.g., Zechariah himself),
A heavenly messenger (e.g., the Angel of the Lord),
Or, in Christian theology, the pre-incarnate Messiah, fulfilling a messianic role in the judgment and vindication of Israel.
The ambiguity around אַחַר כָּבוֹד adds depth to the interpretation, possibly pointing to a future revelation of YHWH's glory as the basis for this mission.
NASB “After glory He has sent me”
NKJV “He sent Me after glory”
NRSV “(after his glory sent me)”
TEV “sent me with this message”
NJB “since the Glory commissioned me”
NIV “after he has honored me and has sent me”
JPSOA “He who sent me after glory”
NET “says to me that for his own glory he has sent me”
REB “spoken when he sent me on a glorious mission”
There are three main issues involved in trying to understand the original intent of this phrase.
1. What does “after” mean?
a. ADVERB (temporal)
b. PREPOSITION (purpose)
c. CONJUNCTION
2. What does “glory” mean?
a. honor to the prophet (NIV)
b. authority to the prophet
c. glory as a quality of God
3. To whom was it addressed?
a. a powerful angel (Keil and Delitzsch, Pulpit Commentary)
b. the prophet (NASB Updated, TEV, NIV, REB)
c. the Messiah (NKJV, NASB)
What do we know?
1. The Lord is the speaker (Lord of Hosts)
2. The term “glory” (BDB 458) is used earlier in the vision (cf. Zec_2:5, UBS, Handbook for Translators) and seems to refer to YHWH Himself (NJB, NRSV, cf. Hag_2:7), but this does not fit the “He has sent.” However, the same VERB in the next verse has YHWH as the speaker.
Herein lies the interpretive problem. It seems that if one takes these visions as Messianic then the return from exile does not fit the expectations. If one takes them as eschatological then there is an obvious mixing of temporal and future references, which is common in the prophets. It is difficult to relate Messianic texts historically into the post-exilic period.
However, the return of the Davidic and Aaronic seeds are a foreshadowing of a Priest/King Messiah (cf. Psalms 110, Zechariah 4), as is the inclusion of “the nations” within the people of God, which will become the gospel of Jesus Christ. The ultimate exodus and return are future and for all who believe (cf. Zec_2:13).
My best guess is that “after” means “with” and “glory” means “with God's honor,” “with God's message,” or “with God's authority.” The prophet/priest Zechariah proclaimed God's word to Jews in exile (cf. Zec_2:6-7), Jews in Palestine (cf. Zec_2:10-12), and the surrounding nations (cf. Zec_2:8-9).
“He has sent me” This “Me” is capitalized in NASB (1970) and KJV (1982), which shows that those translators thought it referred to the Messiah, so too, Kimchi (Jewish exegete from the Middle Ages in Europe). The NET Bible and the TEV interpret this as another reference to Zechariah (this would make Zec_2:9-11; Zec_4:9; and Zec_6:15 also refer to Zechariah).
There is no doubt that the Messiah is mentioned in Zec_3:8; Zec_6:12-13 in the first division of Zechariah (chapters 1-8), but here the context implies the prophet (cf. NASB, 1995 Update).
Zechariah asserts this conviction that prophetic fulfillment of YHWH's message and promises are sure and certain. The phrase “you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me” (cf. Zec_2:9; Zec_2:11; Zec_4:9; Zec_6:15) is an idiom of confidence!
Thanks.
J.
101G
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been have, listen again, again, again, see you did not read verse 10, Zechariah 2:10 "Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD." did not the LORD say he will dwell in the mist of them? Leviticus 26:9 "For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you." Leviticus 26:10 "And ye shall eat old store, and bring forth the old because of the new." Leviticus 26:11 "And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you." Leviticus 26:12 "And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be my people." Leviticus 26:13 "I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright."
now for the LAST TIME, Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."
Let's see what you said is true or not. Now Listen closely.... (smile), Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." see that term "OFFSPRING?" it is the Greek word,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
you see T, God is a diversity of himself, in flesh, as in here, ROOT and OFFSPRING, (the same ONE PERSON). as well as FIRST and LAST, (the same ONE PERSON). the Beginning and the End, (the same ONE PERSON). the Alpha and Omega, (the same ONE PERSON). the Father and the Son, (the same ONE PERSON). the Aleph and the Tav, (the same ONE PERSON). are you getting this?
no the, the, the, ANOTHER, of himself. listen again. the Gree term "ANOTHER" has two meaning..... Listen and Learn, from the W.E. Vine dictionary, [ 1,,G243 G2087 ,allos heteros ] have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort;" heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes "another of a different sort."
NOW UNDERSTAND, Christ promised to send "another Comforter" (allos, "another like Himself," not heteros) OH my this is too easy.
101G. (the anti-christ)
Yahweh (LORD) is three persons
did one not send another
Zechariah 2:6–9 (UASV) — 6 Come! Come! Flee from the land of the north, declares Jehovah. For I have scattered you to the four winds of the heavens, declares Jehovah. 7 Come, Zion! Make your escape, you who are dwelling with the daughter of Babylon. 8 For this is what Jehovah of armies, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches my eyeball. 9 “Look, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that Jehovah of armies has sent me.
One does not send himself
We Have the LORD of host and the lord who they seek
one is the first personspeaker
the other the third person spoken about
Malachi 3:1–2 (LEB) — 1 “Look! I am going to send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you are seeking will come suddenly to his temple, and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you are taking pleasure—look!—he is about to come,” says Yahweh of hosts. 2 And who can endure the day of his coming? And who is the one who can stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire, like launderers’ alkali.
According to his humanity Jesus is ihn the lione of David
This does nothing at all to suggest the Fathert and the Son are one person
Nope
The verse does not say that and offspring does not point to the same person
Your claims are absurd
Try again allos never points to the same person
allos (ἄλλος, 243) and heteros (ἕτερος, 2087) have a difference in meaning, which despite a tendency to be lost, is to be observed in numerous passages. Allos expresses a numerical difference and denotes “another of the same sort”; heteros expresses a qualitative difference and denotes “another of a different sort.
W. E. Vine, Merrill F. Unger, and William White Jr., Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (Nashville, TN: T. Nelson, 1996), 29.
Hello Vines refutes you
A numerical difference that means two
hello
101G
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ERROR, the bible never says this. if so, post book chapter and verse.
NO, he came himself. this is exactly what 101G is saying, Listen, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you." NOW, WHO WAS SENT THAT SAVE US? OR WHO CAME AND SAVE US? .... do you see your mistake now? my God it's just incredible how deceived people are.
now think, was not the Saviour ... SENT to save us? but according Isaiah 35:4 who came and save us?
just have to shake one head..... unbelievable
101G. (AKA
Sure it does when
It teaches The Father is God and the Spirit is God and the son is god and differentiates the three
Isaiah 35:4 (LEB) — 4 Say to those who are hasty of heart, “Be strong; you must not fear! Look! your God will come with vengeance, with divine retribution. He is the one who will come and save you.”
Yahweh
The Father is Yahweh
The Spirit is Yahweh
and the word is Yahweh
101G
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well keep praying and perhaps you will find the way
