Isaiah and the trinity

[TomL]

I did not ask you to comment on my doctrine, but on these three verses Isa 40:18,21,22. Not able to follow instructions, comprehension noted.

I can tell by your questioning, and repeated questioning, after I've answered, shows me you do not have a clue what I am saying!
I can tell by your accusations, and repeated accusations, after I've answered, like this one "The idea that they touched and saw an impersonal word however makes no sense at all," you do not have a clue, at all, what I am saying, or refusing to! And that's why you twist everything.

If you can't hear me, why would I believe you can hear the Bible?! Comprehension noted. Why should I bother continuing answering you when you are not able to hear me?! Not one of your verses touch my doctrine, one reason is, because you don't have a clue what I am saying! So, we are distend to go around in circles, because you are not able to comprehend what I am saying, or refusing to. If you refuse to hear me, and constantly falsely accuse me, why should I waist my time, no good will come out of it!

There are some I'd love to answer, like this one, "No Eternal life an attribute of Christ by means of metonymy represents whole being" and a few other things "when they touched with their own hands the earthly corrupted created body of Jesus (the whole being), what you are saying to me, is they were touching with their own hands the attribute life, which was from Mary's earthly corrupted created flesh, His whole body." And the rest, but..

I made it clear when I would respond to your posts!

Where is Isa 40:21 sending you?
Now, imagine your boss saying this to you, and your bosses tone.
Isa 40:21 Do you not know? Do you not hear? Has it not been told you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundations of the earth?

Did you read?

Were you not able to see the bolded section?

You think God has ribs, flesh and bones ?

God is a Spirit not a physical being

John 4:24 (LEB) — 24 God is spirit, and the ones who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Luke 24:39 (LEB) — 39 Look at my hands and my feet, that I am I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

Isaiah 40:18–22 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him? 19 A craftsman pours out the idol, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and he smelts chains of silver. 20 The one who is too impoverished for a gift chooses wood that will not rot; he seeks a skillful artisan for himself to set up an image that will not be knocked over. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth? 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

Nothing is like God. Man's created idols of Gold, silver or of wood do not resemble God. God who is above all sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation) above the earth as was shown in a number of verses. From the very beginning man has been told God who is from above alone created the heavens. Man is but a grasshopper in comparison to God. He cannot fully be likened to God

The key point you are trying to propagate that verse 22 refers to the Holy spirit alone is defective. The reference is not to a past time event but an ongoing reality.

Isaiah was addressed as was your faulty conclusion that Isa 40:22 refers to the spirit alone

As it stands there are multiple criticisms of your theology which require addressing

 

[7xLightray]

That is the other post deal with what is posted here

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/isaiah-and-the-trinity.2118/post-132734

PS I have every right to question your doctrine and do not require your permission

So that goes both ways?
You completely twisted my comment! Never said you could not question me. You were not replying to my question or point. What I also said was, I did not have to answer you, if you were ignoring my first original main point, question, and verses! Lets get this straight!

And the funny thing is, I've been answering your questions, and verses, but you are not answering mine. Or, hearing, I can tell, and know, just like other human beings, when someone keeps, and repeatedly, getting what I am saying backwards, and wrong. While I did not have to answer all these other verses of yours, until you could show how your interpretation works, and show why I should not believe Gen 1:26,27 (as it reads and shows within the verses), or understand Isa 40:18-22, as I do. Instead you were showing me every verse (much without comments), instead of Isa 40:18-22 and Gen 1-2 , the ones I first came to discuss with you in the first place. And from then on, you were vague, deflecting, and getting me to chase, instead of spending time on those verses I first brought up. We can always get into other verses, but lets get into what the original verses are saying.

I understand you have questions, but the reason our post are growing is because you keep applying on me the opposite of what I believe, so then, you add more and more scriptures to the mix, when you got me wrong. Not helpful, obviously!

These two verses alone, Gen 1:26, 27, without Isa 40:18-22, state how many are the "Us" and "Our"!
Isa 40:18-22 is only bonus, when we are only considering the verses of Gen 1:26,27! These verses are not telling us it is the spirit, but telling us how many are in the "Us" and "Our!"

Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.."
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

Verse 26 God is make man in the image of "Us" and "Our."
Verse 27 answers the "how many" are in the "Us" and "Our!"

These two verses state the "Us" and "Our" are male and female, which are Adam and Eve, clearly two persons, two beings, in the image of "Us" and "Our!"
And only one "his", "he", and "he", made them male and female!

Reading it straightforward!

 

[7xLightray]

Did you read?

Were you not able to see the bolded section?

You think God has ribs, flesh and bones ?

God is a Spirit not a physical being

John 4:24 (LEB) — 24 God is spirit, and the ones who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Luke 24:39 (LEB) — 39 Look at my hands and my feet, that I am I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.”

Isaiah 40:18–22 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him? 19 A craftsman pours out the idol, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and he smelts chains of silver. 20 The one who is too impoverished for a gift chooses wood that will not rot; he seeks a skillful artisan for himself to set up an image that will not be knocked over. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth? 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

Nothing is like God. Man's created idols of Gold, silver or of wood do not resemble God. God who is above all sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation) above the earth as was shown in a number of verses. From the very beginning man has been told God who is from above alone created the heavens. Man is but a grasshopper in comparison to God. He cannot fully be likened to God

The key point you are trying to propagate that verse 22 refers to the Holy spirit alone is defective. The reference is not to a past time event but an ongoing reality.

Isaiah was addressed as was your faulty conclusion that Isa 40:22 refers to the spirit alone

As it stands there are multiple criticisms of your theology which require addressing

I made it clear when I would respond to your posts!
When you engage with my points and questions!
Far is far!

 

[TomL]

I made it clear when I would respond to your posts!
When you engage with my points and questions!
Far is far!

Wake up then. I engaged in your point and you have not rebutted it

Isaiah 40:18–22 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him? 19 A craftsman pours out the idol, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and he smelts chains of silver. 20 The one who is too impoverished for a gift chooses wood that will not rot; he seeks a skillful artisan for himself to set up an image that will not be knocked over. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth? 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

Nothing is like God. Man's created idols of Gold, silver or of wood do not resemble God. God who is above all sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation) above the earth as was shown in a number of verses. From the very beginning man has been told God who is from above alone created the heavens. Man is but a grasshopper in comparison to God. He cannot fully be likened to God

The key point you are trying to propagate that verse 22 refers to the Holy spirit alone is defective. The reference is not to a past time event but an ongoing reality.

Isaiah was addressed as was your faulty conclusion that Isa 40:22 refers to the spirit alone

 

[7xLightray]

Wake up then. I engaged in your point and you have not rebutted it

Isaiah 40:18–22 (LEB) — 18 And to whom will you liken God? And to what likeness will you compare him? 19 A craftsman pours out the idol, and a goldsmith overlays it with gold, and he smelts chains of silver. 20 The one who is too impoverished for a gift chooses wood that will not rot; he seeks a skillful artisan for himself to set up an image that will not be knocked over. 21 Have you not known? Have you not heard? Has it not been told to you from the beginning? Have you not understood from the foundation of the earth? 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

Nothing is like God. Man's created idols of Gold, silver or of wood do not resemble God. God who is above all sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation) above the earth as was shown in a number of verses. From the very beginning man has been told God who is from above alone created the heavens. Man is but a grasshopper in comparison to God. He cannot fully be likened to God

The key point you are trying to propagate that verse 22 refers to the Holy spirit alone is defective. The reference is not to a past time event but an ongoing reality.

Isaiah was addressed as was your faulty conclusion that Isa 40:22 refers to the spirit alone

That's all?
Well, I have to give you something for handing it in, it's a good start. But, I'd have to say, I'm low on confidence, this was your comment on verse 18 "Nothing is like God."

Lets start with this then, it wont matter much, but just to get it out of the way, and maybe you'll see why it doesn't matter.

"sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation)" A word all on it's own, does not make the context present. The Present tense has more to do with the kind of action more so than time, and is a continuous, or repeated, kind of action. It can refer to the present time, and probably usually does, but not always. Context always determines whether something is referring to the present time, or not. Even the Present tense in the Indicative mood, which does denote a continuous, or repeated kind of action at the present time, is not always referring to the present time. It may also speak to the present time of a past, or future event, context matters. Like Act 4:37 instead of "Had land" it's "Having" which is in the Present Indicative, but it is history within the story, before he even gave the money to the apostles, .

Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Or, this famous verse Jn 8:58, even here the text is only referring to before Abraham was born, which was also long ago in history.

But none of that means much to my point, other than the continuous action. And yes heaven, where God sits, is above the earth, but there is always the question, which heaven? The heaven of the earth, or the heaven above the heaven of earth? The heaven above the heaven of earth, is where God the Father dwells. And God's image/word is with Him. And He can send His word down, down from heaven, out of heaven, from out of His realm (which is not creation, as it say God does not dwell in homes built by mans hands).
Why is God, or you, sending someone, or something else, when you are going yourself? You don't. You send someone else to do the work for you. God sends His word, He sends His spirit, and there's one place where the LORD says..

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

But none of this matters much to my point, either (though, they may answers some of your points, or questions).
This is why some of your points don't matter, It's because of what that passage in Isa 40 is saying, and asking, and pointing to. Especially this verse, that points to the beginning..

"Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?"
Do you not agree this verse points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?
"hath it not been told you from the beginning?" This is a rebuke for not knowing. Which implies it has been told, declared. So it could be told in other places, but we know for sure it has been told somewhere in the beginning of Genesis. And when it says, "have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth," this means the first time of reading Genesis we should have, or could have understood something. And going by verse 18 we should have understood God's image, by just following the context of what's written.

It does not matter How long God is above the earth for, or whether heaven is above the earth or not, or whether God is with the spirit of God above the waters in Gen 1 verse 2, because it's like figuring out a mystery. Only the clues within the context of the mystery matter. And it only points to one place. So we can only use those clues to understand it. Once we have that foundation of God's image, then we can add other verses, or use that to understand the rest of scripture, off of what God says is His image. We may not like that interfering with the pride of our belief, but it's the right way.

 

[TomL]

That's all?
Well, I have to give you something for handing it in, it's a good start. But, I'd have to say, I'm low on confidence, this was your comment on verse 18 "Nothing is like God."

Lets start with this then, it wont matter much, but just to get it out of the way, and maybe you'll see why it doesn't matter.

"sits (present tense and not a reference to past time creation)" A word all on it's own, does not make the context present. The Present tense has more to do with the kind of action more so than time, and is a continuous, or repeated, kind of action. It can refer to the present time, and probably usually does, but not always. Context always determines whether something is referring to the present time, or not. Even the Present tense in the Indicative mood, which does denote a continuous, or repeated kind of action at the present time, is not always referring to the present time. It may also speak to the present time of a past, or future event, context matters. Like Act 4:37 instead of "Had land" it's "Having" which is in the Present Indicative, but it is history within the story, before he even gave the money to the apostles, .

Act 4:37 Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
Or, this famous verse Jn 8:58, even here the text is only referring to before Abraham was born, which was also long ago in history.

But none of that means much to my point, other than the continuous action. And yes heaven, where God sits, is above the earth, but there is always the question, which heaven? The heaven of the earth, or the heaven above the heaven of earth? The heaven above the heaven of earth, is where God the Father dwells. And God's image/word is with Him. And He can send His word down, down from heaven, out of heaven, from out of His realm (which is not creation, as it say God does not dwell in homes built by mans hands).
Why is God, or you, sending someone, or something else, when you are going yourself? You don't. You send someone else to do the work for you. God sends His word, He sends His spirit, and there's one place where the LORD says..

Gen 18:21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

But none of this matters much to my point, either (though, they may answers some of your points, or questions).
This is why some of your points don't matter, It's because of what that passage in Isa 40 is saying, and asking, and pointing to. Especially this verse, that points to the beginning..

"Isa 40:21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?"
Do you not agree this verse points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?
"hath it not been told you from the beginning?" This is a rebuke for not knowing. Which implies it has been told, declared. So it could be told in other places, but we know for sure it has been told somewhere in the beginning of Genesis. And when it says, "have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth," this means the first time of reading Genesis we should have, or could have understood something. And going by verse 18 we should have understood God's image, by just following the context of what's written.

It does not matter How long God is above the earth for, or whether heaven is above the earth or not, or whether God is with the spirit of God above the waters in Gen 1 verse 2, because it's like figuring out a mystery. Only the clues within the context of the mystery matter. And it only points to one place. So we can only use those clues to understand it. Once we have that foundation of God's image, then we can add other verses, or use that to understand the rest of scripture, off of what God says is His image. We may not like that interfering with the pride of our belief, but it's the right way.

The point you seem to not want to focus on is verse 22 is not a reference to the Holy Spirit alone

What point is there on expounding on verse 18

What you should be seeing is there is no evidence for your claim.

 

[7xLightray]

The point you seem to not want to focus on is verse 22 is not a reference to the Holy Spirit alone

What point is there on expounding on verse 18

What you should be seeing is there is no evidence for your claim.

There was a reason we had to do it one step at a time, recall Post#102 , "I understand you have questions, but the reason our post are growing is because you keep applying on me the opposite of what I believe, so then, you add more and more scriptures to the mix, when you got me wrong. Not helpful, obviously!" And Post#103 "I made it clear when I would respond to your posts! When you engage with my points and questions! Far is far!"
And this was my question in Post#105 referring to Isa 40 verse 21 "Do you not agree this verse points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?"

Is this deflecting, or is it comprehension!

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

There was a reason we had to do it one step at a time, recall Post#102 , "I understand you have questions, but the reason our post are growing is because you keep applying on me the opposite of what I believe, so then, you add more and more scriptures to the mix, when you got me wrong. Not helpful, obviously!" And Post#103 "I made it clear when I would respond to your posts! When you engage with my points and questions! Far is far!"
And this was my question in Post#105 referring to Isa 40 verse 21 "Do you not agree this verse points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?"

Is this deflecting, or is it comprehension!

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

The opposite of what you believe?

Are you going to tell the readers you did not claim

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

is a reference to the Spirit alone?

 

[7xLightray]

The opposite of what you believe?

Are you going to tell the readers you did not claim

Isaiah 40:22 (LEB) — 22 He is the one who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; the one who stretches out the heavens like a veil and spreads them out like a tent to live in,

is a reference to the Spirit alone?

No it's comprehension!
I was only stating the reasons why. And there was a "And" between my two comments, which one of them you overlooked to apply.

And deflection!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

No it's comprehension!
I was only stating the reasons why. And there was a "And" between my two comments, which one of them you overlooked to apply.

And deflection!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Again you referred Isaiah 40:22 to the Spirit alone

Creation in Isaiah 40 was never an issue and I stated all three were involved in the creation Isaiah speaks of

 

[TomL]

There was a reason we had to do it one step at a time, recall Post#102 , "I understand you have questions, but the reason our post are growing is because you keep applying on me the opposite of what I believe, so then, you add more and more scriptures to the mix, when you got me wrong. Not helpful, obviously!" And Post#103 "I made it clear when I would respond to your posts! When you engage with my points and questions! Far is far!"
And this was my question in Post#105 referring to Isa 40 verse 21 "Do you not agree this verse points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?"

Is this deflecting, or is it comprehension!

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Still a diversion

I told you the creation of Isaiah 40 was by all three members of the Godhead and provided scripture confirming this

You wanted to limit it to the Spirit because of Gen 1:2

 

[7xLightray]

Again you referred Isaiah 40:22 to the Spirit alone

Creation in Isaiah 40 was never an issue and I stated all three were involved in the creation Isaiah speaks of

Yes, it points to verse 2; God the Father is in verse 1, and the spirit of God is in verse 2.

And again, deflection!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[7xLightray]

Still a diversion

I told you the creation of Isaiah 40 was by all three members of the Godhead and provided scripture confirming this

You wanted to limit it to the Spirit because of Gen 1:2

Whatever one believes, it still must line up with God's image of "Us," and "Our," which = Gen 1:27!

Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.."
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male [#1] and female [#2] created he them."

Are you also hearing and believing God's version of.. "Let Us make man in Our image."
They are making man in their ("Our") Plural image.
So what are we expecting to read when God makes man? Plural, man! made in Their Plural image!
And how many do we count? Plural, Two!
Just reading it with straightforward comprehension!
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Never suggested that creation was only by the spirit of God alone, God created through/by His spoken (Psalm 33:6) living word, which is spirit, and the image of God.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath [..H7307 spirit..] of his mouth.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And, I am saying to you, it must be by God's only image of Two (Gen 1:27)! God created by the spirit of God, that is the only other mentioned in Genesis 1.

And again, deflecting!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

Whatever one believes, it still must line up with God's image of "Us," and "Our," which = Gen 1:27!

Gen 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.."
Gen 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male [#1] and female [#2] created he them."

Are you also hearing and believing God's version of.. "Let Us make man in Our image."
They are making man in their ("Our") Plural image.
So what are we expecting to read when God makes man? Plural, man! made in Their Plural image!
And how many do we count? Plural, Two!
Just reading it with straightforward comprehension!
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Never suggested that creation was only by the spirit of God alone, God created through/by His spoken (Psalm 33:6) living word, which is spirit, and the image of God.

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath [..H7307 spirit..] of his mouth.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

And, I am saying to you, it must be by God's only image of Two (Gen 1:27)! God created by the spirit of God, that is the only other mentioned in Genesis 1.

And again, deflecting!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

How many times must you be told

The only issue I disputed was that Isa 40:22 references the Spirit alone (as in Gen 1:2)

 

[TomL]

Yes, it points to verse 2; God the Father is in verse 1, and the spirit of God is in verse 2.

And again, deflection!
Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Wake up. The issue is Isaiah 40:22 not Gen 1:2

Isaiah 40:22 is not a reference to the Spirit alone

 

[101G]

Whatever one believes, it still must line up with God's image of "Us," and "Our," which = Gen 1:27!

let's see, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," how many is "he?"

Never suggested that creation was only by the spirit of God alone, God created through/by His spoken (Psalm 33:6) living word, which is spirit, and the image of God.

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" is not the LORD God? yes, and is not God a Spirit? yes, (per John 4:24a). well the Spirit was "ALONE" and alone means, "having no one else present", and if no one else was present he did't go through someone else..... and thirdly, if alone, then the other two so-called person are not Omni-Present, hence meaning not God.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

 

[7xLightray]

How many times must you be told

The only issue I disputed was that Isa 40:22 references the Spirit alone (as in Gen 1:2)

Isa 40:21 (well actually verses 18, 21, and 22) is the very reason, why, I say it speaks of the spirit of God, alone, So, how ridiculous is it to question me on Isa 40:22, but block the answer of Isa 40:21. Sounding like you do want to hear it!

In verse 18 God calls attention to His image (an image is you, but not you, correct), and asks us a couple of questions, and verse 21 points us to the beginning of Genesis asking why we did not understand His image from back then, and verse 22 tells us the location of where to look in Genesis for His image (upon the circle of the earth). It's rather really straightforward. But in no way could one conclude from that, that only the spirit of God created.

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[7xLightray]

Wake up. The issue is Isaiah 40:22 not Gen 1:2

Isaiah 40:22 is not a reference to the Spirit alone

What? How ridiculous, Isa 40:18, 21-22, points to Gen 1:2 and explains His image in Gen 1:26-27, and Gen 2:22-24 and they are the very issue!
I brought, I brought, these verses to you! It's the very issue!
I can't answer, cause you blocked the answer. That's why I don't think you are ready to receive.
So, I'll put my answer in question form..

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

 

[TomL]

What? How ridiculous, Isa 40:18, 21-22, points to Gen 1:2 and explains His image in Gen 1:26-27, and Gen 2:22-24 and they are the very issue!
I brought, I brought, these verses to you! It's the very issue!
I can't answer, cause you blocked the answer. That's why I don't think you are ready to receive.
So, I'll put my answer in question form..

Do you not agree Isa 40:21 points to the beginning of Genesis, if anywhere?

Do you not understand my words?

The point I am arguing is Isa 40:22 is not a reference to the Holy Spirit alone

Isaiah 40:22 (KJV 1900) — 22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, And the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; That stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, And spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

 

[7xLightray]

let's see, Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?" Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," how many is "he?"

Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" is not the LORD God? yes, and is not God a Spirit? yes, (per John 4:24a). well the Spirit was "ALONE" and alone means, "having no one else present", and if no one else was present he did't go through someone else..... and thirdly, if alone, then the other two so-called person are not Omni-Present, hence meaning not God.

101G. (AKA the spiritual saboteur), (AKA the anti-christ)

"he" = One! As well the "he" in Gen 1:27 = one! The "us" in Gen 1:26 = two!

Whoa! The Father person did create all alone, by His spoken living word!
"God" is in Gen 1:1 and "the spirit of God" is in Gen 1:2 that is two, but one being an image. "God" is the Father, and "the spirit of God" is the breath/word of God, which spirit/breath/word is the image of God. So, that is only one person, the Father who created through His spoken word/spirit/breath. Which word/spirit/breath became the Man who was born the Son of God, another person! If God created everything by His spoken word, then He went though/by something. And that something was His spoken word.

And I do not understand how this comment "and thirdly, if alone, then the other two so-called person are not Omni-Present, hence meaning not God." applies to me, I am not trinitarian. And that is not a true statement, I've shown another way in which Jesus is God, and He does not have to be omnipresent in my doctrine to be God.

But, if you want to take up the omnipresence of Christ, I ask this then, in Matt 8:5-13 did Jesus steer the centurion wrong?