Is God a Narcissist in Calvinism ?

You cannot know God and believe He is unfair!!!!
Since you missed the point I was making, I was accusing YOU of BRAYING "The way of the Lord is not fair." at me with your diatribes against "Total Depravity" ignoring all the scriptures that I have presented.

Since all your posts have turned into "ad hominem", it is time to "shake off the dust" and ignore you (the old fashioned way, I just don't care what you have to say - I don't need technology to hide you).
 
God can certainly create the conditions whereby evil will exist. The sufficient cause if you will. Not the efficient cause. What was the purpose of the tree, serpent in the garden keeping on mind God tempts no one.
there was no serpent when the tree was created. :)
 
Since you missed the point I was making, I was accusing YOU of BRAYING "The way of the Lord is not fair." at me with your diatribes against "Total Depravity" ignoring all the scriptures that I have presented.

Since all your posts have turned into "ad hominem", it is time to "shake off the dust" and ignore you (the old fashioned way, I just don't care what you have to say - I don't need technology to hide you).
Your only response to, my question:
Why ? Why do men start out evil?
Why is irrelevant. It is enough that God has said that it is so
We are born in guilt and sin
Before Preschool/Kindergarten, most children only had YOU to teach them, so if they were not BORN with sin, then when did you start to teach them? How much effort did you invest in teaching sin?
If you're heart is hardened as a cold stone...
Then yes I can understand why it would not matter to you.
Those who lack compassion for others, for their fate of being burned for eternity in hellfire as their reason for why God created them(your religion not mine).
Then I can understand why you view my questions as irrelevant
The way of the Lord is not fair." - Ezekiel 18, 33
Ezekial chapter 18 is used alot by reformers to justify their doctrine of inherited guilt.

I apologize if you do not interrupt Ezekiel 18 as God being unjust.
I don't know your beliefs well enough so I can only respond to what information you give me.
I teach each individual based upon what they believe not upon strict theological traditions.
Most everyone I've ever taught has their own ideas on reformed theology so I cannot go by a set standard as I would with the Bible.(calvinism is full of differing doctrines because its man made).
I must go by what each individual tells me, his/her beliefs.
I never intentionally misrepresent someone to win debates.
I dont need to as I have the truth, John 17:17.
 
Since you missed the point I was making, I was accusing YOU of BRAYING "The way of the Lord is not fair." at me with your diatribes against "Total Depravity" ignoring all the scriptures that I have presented.

Since all your posts have turned into "ad hominem", it is time to "shake off the dust" and ignore you (the old fashioned way, I just don't care what you have to say - I don't need technology to hide you).
When I asked you to help me understand why God creates man to be evil, you said,
Why is irrelevant. It is enough that God has said that it is so
This shows a complete lack of concern for aborted sinful babies that will burn forever in hellfire.
I stand by my statement that calvinism creates hard hearted prideful people who lack compassion for the non elect.
The god of John Calvin is a narcissist.
Your god,
Creates people He never intends to save.
Predestine them to damnation.
Then He holds them morally responsible for actions they were unable to avoid.
All to display His glory.
This logically makes your god unjust,unfair.

This contradicts the true God of the Bible,
God is Just, Deuteronomy 32:4
Loving, 1John 4:8
Not willing that any should perish, 2Peter 3:9
Desiring all to be saved, 1Timothy 2:4
Without partiality, Acts 10:34

Calvinism presents a view of God that contradicts the Bibles teaching on His justise, love, impartiality.
 
Since all your posts have turned into "ad hominem",
Ad hominem is a logically fallacy where someone attacks the person making a claim instead of addressing the claim itself

Not once have I used Ad hominem. atpollard is making false accusations against me.
 
Show me where he fell before creation
He was cast out after the creation of the angels but before he tempted Adam and Eve. Exactly when is not specified.

Kind of irrelevant to my point. The tree, the garden, the serpent and Eve all served a purpose. Part of the plan. I keep forgetting your a Open Theist and your God was ignorant of anything that would have happened in the garden.
 
Nope. Not at all. The angels precede creation of which Satan was one of. Job 38:4-7.

When Were Angels Created?

If God created everything in the six days of the creation week, He must have created angels during that week as well. Either that, or God did not create the angels, and they simply have always existed with God. Most would reject this idea, as I do. Most traditions, drawing from the biblical reiterations of God’s uniqueness, define angels as created beings. But if so, when did God actually create them? Do they appear in the creation week account of Genesis?

To be clear, the word “angel” does not appear in Genesis 1. Moses, very apparently—given his zoom-in on human creation in Genesis 2, intended the creation story to frame the central human concerns of his human readers. And he did not choose to make the creation of angels explicit in his account. But Moses did leave hints which other biblical authors elaborated more explicitly in later texts.

The Stars to Rule​

The greatest of these hints appears in Genesis 1:16–18:

God made the two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, and the lesser light to govern the night; He made the stars also. God placed them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, and to govern the day and the night, and to separate the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good.
The Hebrew words translated “to govern” in this text come from the root word (mashal, משׁל). In no other place in all of Scripture do these words apply to inanimate objects. Objects do not “govern.” Beings do. And if the sun and moon “govern” the day and night, and the stars “govern” times and the separation of light and dark, perhaps these greater and smaller governors are not simply inanimate celestial objects.

YHWH, God of Hosts

Certainly, ancient people did not consider the sun, the moon, or the stars as inanimate objects. They generally viewed them as heavenly beings and sometimes as gods. Moses explicitly warns against worshipping the sun, moon, and stars—the “host of heaven”:

And beware not to lift up your eyes to heaven and see the sun and the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven, and be drawn away and worship them and serve them, those which YHWH your God has allotted to all the peoples under the whole heaven. (Deut. 4:19)
This would make almost no sense unless—at least to the ancients—the sun, moon, and stars had some legitimate personal quality.

Throughout the Old Testament, the “host of heaven” refers either to created heavenly bodies or to the angelic inhabitants of God’s heavenly kingdom or perhaps both (Deut. 4:19; 17:3; 1 Kings 22:19; 2 Kings 17:16; 21:3, 5; 23:4–5; Is. 34:4; Jer. 8:2; 19:13; 33:22; Zeph. 1:5; Dan. 8:10; Neh. 9:6; 2 Chr. 18:18; 33:3, 5). The Scriptures often refer to God as the Lord of these Hosts. Again, this would have almost no practical meaning and would inspire no holy awe if the “host” in question included only inanimate objects—burning gas balls and orbiting rocks.

The Scriptures do not make a great distinction between the host of heaven as a created reality (sun, moon, and stars) and the host of heaven as the army of God’s angels. The stars are angels. The angels are stars. Some would say that the stars are “symbols” of the angels. I think it more fit to say that the angels spiritually govern the stars and light and darkness in the way that our spirits govern, but are not limited in influence to, our bodies. I’m not saying the stars are the bodies of angels. But that God assigned angels to govern material realities, specifically—at least in the beginning—celestial bodies. In the same way that we can be and often are identified with our earthly bodies, angels can be and often are identified with the heavenly bodies of their domain.michaelminkoff

So, at the very least, we can say for now that God created the angels when He created “the host of heaven”—the sun, moon, and stars. When did that occur? On the fourth day of creation. We can say also that the personified language Moses uses concerning the creation of stars in Genesis 1 is not merely poetic personification. The sun and moon and stars really did have dominion to do and declare God’s will in heaven, to separate light and darkness, and to govern the day and the night. Though it may seem trivial to designate the fourth day as the day God made angels, and to connect the celestial spheres with the angelic host, it opens up a lot of other inquiries.

hope this helps !!!
 
No they do not precede creation since they are not eternal like God and were created. There was no precreation , creation of the angels in the 6 days.
They can precede creation and not be eternal. Job 38 clearly indicates they existed prior to at least the creation of Adam and Eve.
 
And stars are you referred to as stars.

Morning stars such as Job 38? The text your ignoring.
regarding stars in Job 38

7. When the morning-stars. There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the LXX. Ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα—when the stars were made; the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or morning—כוכבי צפר. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; comp. Notes on Isa. 14:12. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the Old Testament: Job (vol. 2; London: Blackie & Son, 1847), 194.
 
regarding stars in Job 38

7. When the morning-stars. There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the LXX. Ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα—when the stars were made; the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or morning—כוכבי צפר. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; comp. Notes on Isa. 14:12. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the Old Testament: Job (vol. 2; London: Blackie & Son, 1847), 194.
Some have thought it refers to literal stars. Why does He get the last word?
 
Some have thought it refers to literal stars. Why does He get the last word?
You mean Barnes?

7. When the morning-stars. There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the LXX. Ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα—when the stars were made; the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or morning—כוכבי צפר. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; comp. Notes on Isa. 14:12. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the Old Testament: Job (vol. 2; London: Blackie & Son, 1847), 194.

I would say

Job 38:7 (NASB 95) — 7 When the morning stars sang together And all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The singing of the Stars and action of the sons of God in a related response to God's creation.
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