I did not repeat mine, I repeated yours. L9L Open Theism.
It means exactly what I said it means unless your going to claim He had no idea.
Is God a Narcissist in Calvinism ?
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It means exactly what I said it means unless your going to claim He had no idea.
civic
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nope I just quoted what God said 3 times in the same book about the same abominable sin declaring He never said, commanded, thought, decreed, declared etc....... that they should do such a sin.
you are stuck in your theology and cannot properly discern Gods word in Jeremiah. You can only see it through your human lens/doctrinal belief.
next fallacy
I say that is unbiblical.
James 1:13–17 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Rom 3:5–6 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? The God who inflicts wrath is not unrighteous, is He? (I am speaking in human terms.) May it never be! For otherwise, how will God judge the world?
Ps 92:15 To declare that the Lord is upright; He is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.
Ezek 18:25–32 Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die. Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life. Because he considered and turned away from all his transgressions which he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. But the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not right.’ Are My ways not right, O house of Israel? Is it not your ways that are not right? “Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord God. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you. Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”
Ps 5:4–5 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with You. The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.
Proverbs 16:4–5 (NIV84) — 4 The LORD works out everything for his own ends— even the wicked for a day of disaster. 5 The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.
It does not say he makes them do evil.
And that would contradict scripture.
James 1:13–17 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.
Thank you Brother.
FreeInChrist
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And for it's ability to actually debate you as well as listen to you......As the thread continues it just confirms/affirms that the OP is correct.
Gotta love AI for its logic and reasoning.
civic
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Its funny you mention that as a while back I was curious about AI with heaven, hell, salvation and how its obtained within various religions. After pressing AI then I quoted Christ claims of absolute obedience to Him and that eternal life was only found in Him and in no other religion. As I led the discussion and questions it affirmed Jesus claims were unique and that He claimed to be God and there was no other way to be saved apart from Him.And for it's ability to actually debate you as well as listen to you......
FreeInChrist
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I have had similar... and when a certain Ai comes across as predestined leaning, I debated them into at least now they always double check my questions on the free will side....
But not to take this OT ... A while back one called Gemini parked itself on the end of my tab bar and after a couple of months I started to ask its opinions, etc.
Lasy week , and I forget my exact words to it... it popped back with if I was looking to counter the argument
in the Forum debate I am on... here are some points....
So this Ai knows when I am on here (or elsewhere) and that I am asking about a point for my debate.... and what is said by you folks on here.
Talk about that being a little unnerving.
I have found that Ai does like flattery. FYI.
OK... back to the topic.
And I quoted Paul twice and could post more. Your stuck in your theology and refuse correction. Typical of the anti-Calvie zealots and Open Theists.
I did not say he made him do evil. Pay attention. I said everything serves a divine purpose. "The Lord has made EVERYTHING for its purpose...."This includes the evil. Evil is part of the plan.
This does not really address my points as usual. Either had no idea or it was a creative opposite. WHICH? Tom is another slipping into Open Theism which is where his theology logically takes him.
civic
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you have the contradiction with those passage and they fit together perfectly in my theology.
So He had no idea?
Nope. You do as I explained. You cannot proclaim God is omniscient on one hand and then on the other claim something did not come to his mind. He had no idea. That is a blatant contradiction if there ever was one. But your blinded by your anti-Calvie crusade.you have the contradiction with those passage and they fit together perfectly in my theology.
civic
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Where did I say in our exchange God is omniscient ?
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another false claim of yours I see.
seeing and hearing things I did not say,
maybe the blindness is on you not me.
Like I said I can reconcile scripture and make it harmonize, you cannot as I demonstrated form Jeremiah.
So God is not omniscient then? You can clear this up with a yes or no answer. You won't though. Slope is getting slippery eh?
civic
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Should I believe what God said below 3 times or what you think ?
God said it never entered His mind. End of discussion.
Your questions and rhetoric won't change Gods declaration below.
Jeremiah 7:31
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
Is God omniscient yes or no? We're listening.
civic
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You have no specific verses that say God does not know all the future as settled. I have none that specifically says He knows all the possibilities of the future exhaustively. God test man many times in scripture and gives them the option of 2 possibilities whether they choose to obey or disobey. God has not locked in mans choices and decision making as taught by the determinist/calvinist.
So your yes or no question doesn't answer the biblical narrative. God knows reality as it is hence God is Omniscient. Since God over and over gives mankind choices there are 2 paths/roads they can go down depending upon their decisions. God over and over said He would do a certain thing if they did x,y,z yet withheld the disaster from happening many times. Other times the calamity happened.
Fulfilled prophecy is another example of Gods omniscience. But not everything that happens in history or the future is predetermined like prophecy.
You put God into a nice little deterministic box. God is much more than that little box. The fact that God gives man choices to make, roads to go down that can have various outcomes shows the future in not determined/fixed as taught by the calvinist.
I can still hold to God being all knowing just not in the same sense as you believe.
And we have the fact in many places where we read that God changed His mind. It determinism were true then God could never change His mind.
hope this helps !!!
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