jeremiah1five
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Since you say nothing to refute my position, I'll genuinely hold that what I have said is true and irrefutable.
How is a Christian Different from Others?
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jeremiah1five
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Everything about this so-great salvation originates from God. The Gentiles and their world are the copiers.
jeremiah1five
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The Spirit of Truth does not allow His people to remain in error or be led astray for too long. Every true believer will have, say, 90% of their doctrine correct and 10% needing correction and reproof, while pretenders are 90% in error holding to about 10% true.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Rather odd that the SAME GOD says the same law will apply to the gentiles , even concerning the PASSOVER .
YOU sure about that .
Why do you think there were hebrew prosyletes .
Ye shall have the same law . I seem to remember a few hebrews even having gentile wives . Naomi
go to and behold her sons and whom they did marry .
Notice one of those daughters said , I WILL GO with you and your GOD shall be MY GOD .
You sure about this bold statment you made .
Even Christ marvled at the faith of a couple of gentile believers .
And as far as the true promise to come that was given unto the Fathers , to abraham , issac , jacob .
TAKE NOTE it says IN thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed .
And do take note when writing to the church , paul made mention of said HEBREW Scriptures
and the dire need for the church to learn them . THAT CHURCH he wrote too
consisted of not just hebrew believers , but gentile beleivers . This hebrew scripture you speak came
came not FROM the hebrew but rather TO the HEBREW . And them lovely words
are the meat for all lambs . whether hebrew born or gentile born .
FOR what does matter . The flesh of what a man was born into
OR BEING BORN AGAIN OF SPIRIT and of TRUTH . Them are not hebrew scriptures
THEMS GOD INSPIRED SCRIPS given first to the hebrew , but even the hebrew would teach gentiles of them words .
NOW them lovely beautiful words of TRUTH should be UPON the heart of any beleiver in CHRIST ,whether he was born a hebrew
or a gentile . ITS TIME we point to CHRIST .
because all nations would include ALL , the hebrew nation and the gentile ones . TIME TO PREACH THE TRUE MESSAGE
of the GLORIOUS CHRIST to all men . whether hebrew or gentile . i say again , whether hebrew or gentile .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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OH i agree it does orginate from GOD . and i agree that like most jews , most gentiles are copiers .
YOU need to read said bible . GOD was not pleased with all hebrews and many of the leaders
often led the people into great darkness and rebellion unto GOD .
Just as does now a lot of christendom now lead the peoples into great darkness and rebellion against GOD .
We got wolves in the casa , in the house . the turkies of deception have come home to roost within and amongst
the tops of the tree of christendom . THE WHORE Gonna merge all faiths and all religoins as ONE
to find common ground .
But what i say to one i would write to all , WHAT COMMON GROUND does a beleiver have with an infidel .
NOTHING . time we rather preach JESUS to these poor lost souls in all them false religoins
and even more so its also time we PREACH JESUS to many within Christendom who now follow another jesus .
BOY do we got problems in the house . and remember , THE FLESH PROFITS NOTHING .
a hebrew can and will burn the same as will a gentile , IF SAID people and peoples REJECT THE GLORIOUS CHRIST OF GOD .
jeremiah1five
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Of course He will judge non-Hebrew non-elect, non-covenant Gentiles by His Law. They will all be declared "GUILTY!" of violating His Law.
How can a Hebrew be a proselyte? It's their religion and from day one the children born are taught in it.
More than a few. If a remnant (10% of ALL living Hebrews) returned with Nehemiah to their land in 522BC, then this means 90% of all living Hebrews remained in Assyria, Babylon, and Gentile lands in-between. If there were one million Hebrews alive then only 100,000 Hebrews returned. 900,000 Hebrews remained in Gentile lands. How many generations could be born from 522BC to Christ? Possibly 21 generations can be born. So, if out of 900,000 Hebrews remained in Gentile lands and 30% (270,000) of Hebrews intermarried, then 21 generations of mixed marriages had children, they're away from their religion, in Greek culture, and if we consider the father was Gentile then there is a higher probability the child/children will be born ignorant of their Hebrew history and culture. But then consider the intermarriages began first in Assyria then in Babylon and intermarriages might even be a higher number because of the father (not mentioning rape, concubinage, slavery, etc.) would raise his kids as Gentile. They'd learn Greek, be edumacated in Greek culture and know nothing if anything of their Hebrew heritage. And if the father married a Gentile woman, then there would be some Hebrew traditions, history, even culture exposed to the kids. Is this reasonable?
Ruth was a Moabitess.
The Moab's are the descendant of Lot, Abraham's nephew. This means Lot's dad was Abraham's brother. Through Abraham's father this connects this family line back to Eber whom the Jews receive as the father of the Hebrews. Although not in covenant this family line Ruth came from were among the seed of the woman and among descendants obedient to God.
Which one's?
And do non-Hebrew Gentiles come from his seed? Can two Hebrew parents birth a non-Hebrew child?
The nations that would be blessed are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau. These are both the seed of Abraham although not in covenant.
True, biblical Christianity is Hebrew in origin according to the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets. When a Jew became born-again, they remained obedient and observant to the Law of Moses. And since the covenant is with Abraham's seed, the Mosaic Covenant is with Abraham's seed, they would NOT allow non-Hebrews to be in covenant because they are not in covenant NOT being Abraham's seed, and the covenant that bears his name is with the Hebrew people ONLY. Jews would know this and act and decide accordingly. Non-Hebrew Gentiles would not be welcomed in the Jewish Church let alone the Jewish Law and Temple and synagogues. Any mention in the NT of "Gentiles" would have to be mixed heritage Jews like Samaritans.
Correct. But not for wolves and goats or dogs and swine.
It would be a violation for a Hebrew to teach a non-Hebrew anything of their covenants with the purpose to "bring them in" to the Mosaic Covenant because the Jews know it's impossible. If a non-Hebrew learned something of the Hebrew culture and religion or history in passing, there's nothing wrong with that. But Hebrews knew non-Hebrew Gentiles are not in any of their covenants and they would not break the Law trying to bring in Gentiles let alone be excommunicated from the Temple/synagogue and ostracized by Jews for such an unlawful course of action. Hebrews know the covenants are between the God of Abraham and his seed.
The Abraham Covenant is found in Genesis 12, 15, and 17. Does God mention or name non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant?
The "all nations" are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau. These are the "nations" and "kings" that would "come out of thee" (Abraham.)
Look at the text and be honest with Scripture:
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. Gen. 17:4–6.
Same to Sarai:
16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:16.
Abraham and Sarai are both Hebrew. Two Hebrew parents cannot birth a non-Hebrew child.
Non-Hebrew Gentiles do not come from the loins nor the seed of Abraham.
jeremiah1five
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That's the reason why salvation is of the Lord and salvation is of the Jews. Because if left to his own devices Abraham's seed will never be saved. But God took care of that.
"Christendom?" You mean Jewish Christendom, right? Because that's the only kind of Christendom in existence. And it is Hebrew in origin.
Typical Constantinian Gentile theology of God's Word. It not even a theology because to be theology it must be FROM and OUT OF the Word of God.
See the word in English: "theology?" It comes from two Greek words: "Theos" which means "God," and "ology" from the word "Logos" which means "thought" or "word." Thus, "theos-logos" means "word of God."
Learn something.
That's Saul making distinction between a Hebrew in covenant with God and a "non-Hebrew Gentile" who does NOT have a covenant with God. Glad you brought that up.
So, that's your calling? You're a preacher? And you were sent to preach to who? Non-Hebrew Gentiles? Do you know on how many levels this "calling" is unbiblical and wrong? The prophets of the Old Testament were ALL sent to the Hebrew children of Israel of twelve tribes, and Jesus didn't change anything and sent His apostles to Hebrews/Jews living in Gentile lands to let them know that their Promised Messiah had come, and the God of Abraham has KEPT His Promise.
People like you. You don't take doctrine OUT OF Scripture; you ADD to the bible things not there - like the error that faith is a requirement from God to the Hebrew people in covenant with God. And the error is that you don't take doctrine OUT OF Scripture, you prefer to add things to the bible and prefer also Gentile textbook replies rather than taking doctrine "OUT OF" the Hebrew Scripture. Just a wise, knowledgeable, and informed determination based on my extensive knowledge of Scripture when I apply it to everything you say.
God is not a liar. Those whom He's in covenant with - and that's the Hebrew people - CANNOT BURN because as being Hebrew and whose names are in the book of life of the lamb, slain, they are ALL slated for salvation. This is the reason why Saul said in Romans, "All Israel SHALL be saved."
And this is the mechanism for that salvation. Pay attention:
4 Who are Israelites;
to whom pertaineth the adoption,
and the glory,
and the covenants,
and the giving of the law,
and the service of God,
and the promises;
5 Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh
Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 9:4–5.
If anyone is to learn the "salvation [that] is of the Jews" doctrine from the Scripture, they would only have to know this ONE TRUTH in Romans 9:4-5, for it contains everything a Jew would need to know about their religion and their God.
Thanks for killing another discussion with your heresy driven by the vision you had.
David Koberstein
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I put jeremiah1five on ignore. Tired of having my intelligence insulted by someone who is clueless on biblical truth. Don't cast your pearls before swine.
Shalom
I just put him on ignore. He has not even helped drive a useful discussion. Nor has he ever explained how his posts help "gentiles."
David Koberstein
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I know.
David Koberstein
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I'm started reading an interesting book called Compassion and Redemption. Celebrating the women in Messiahs Royal Line.
Miriam, Rahab, Bathsheba, Ruth, and Tamar.
The Author is Miriam Nadler. She speaks on behalf of Word of Messiah Ministries and she leads the Sisterhood of Hope of Israel Congregation in Charlotte, NC
Shalom
jeremiah1five
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It's not a vision. I merely take out of Scripture what is there and present it.
It's called "exegesis."
David Koberstein
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Pray for Israel they are currently under a missile attack from Iran. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Shalom
I pray for the peace over the whole area, especially for the Christians who are suffering. It is also is logical if Jews also come to Christ. Otherwise, they are left in despair like so many others.
e v e
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The only thing thet can make you different is to
be restored to your original eden nature
when meeting Christ on the clouds ..
that would be 'being saved'
...
Plead to God to bring us His sons and
daughters back to Him to our land,
eden paradise in the other reality...
e v e
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israel on this earth is not God's land.
...
David Koberstein
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I need to.put you on ignore so you don't insult my intelligence.
Bob Carabbio
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What makes you Different is that your SIN is Gone, you're PERFECT before God by FAITH in Christ, and you're indwelled by the Holy Spirit, which is what makes you a Christian.
David Koberstein
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To add to your comment. You want to be a blessing to others, so they can see the hope that lies within you.
Shalom
