David Koberstein
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Sometimes you can't tell the difference from Christians and non-Christians.
How is a Christian Different from Others?
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Bob Carabbio
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The difference that a CHRISTIAN has,by FAITH, repented of their SIN, Died to "Self" (Gal 2:20), and been infilled with the presence of the Holy Spirit, who then begins the process found in Roman 6:28-29 - i.e. to conform them to the image of Jesus.
David Koberstein
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Personally speaking most of the time I get treated better by the world than some Christians. I also will do business with a fellow Jew
rather than a Christian.
Bob Carabbio
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Your choice.Personally speaking most of the time I get treated better by the world than some Christians. I also will do business with a fellow Jew
Indeed. A big part of that is that Christ has improved the broad society so those who are Christians may not stand out as much as in the past.
David Koberstein
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Yes it is my choice and I never regretted it.
Too much hypocrisy with some Christians for my cup of tea. Some of them can't be trusted to tell you the truth or be transparent.
The word "Christian", is the English Translation of the Greek "Χριστιανός", which meant "Christ-Like" or "Belonging to Christ" or as it is also written, being a slave or prisoner of Christ. The word, used only twice in the entire NT, was used to describe the Apostles because they "walked like" or "yielded themselves" under the same way of Life that the Christ "of the Bible" walked in. This included, as Paul teaches, "Yielding themselves" a servant to obey God, as the Jesus "of the Bible" did, and becoming servants of "God's Righteousness", not the philosophies, doctrines and traditions of this world's religious sects and businesses they were born into.
But even then, this same Christ warned about religious men, who called Him Lord, Lord, which means they "claimed" to be "Christians", but they were not "doers" of His Sayings. (they honored Him with their lips) These self-proclaimed "Christians" who called the Lord's Christ, their Lord, (Matt. 7:21) they would teach in His Name, they would help people, poor and sick, in His Name, create huge religious businesses, all in His Name, but because they lived a lifestyle which rejected many of the judgments, commandments and Statutes of the God and Father of All, Something the Lord's Christ, or His Disciples didn't do, He said HE doesn't know them. The Scriptures speak to this as well.
1 John 2: 6 He that saith he abideth in him (Call's Jesus Lord, Lord) ought himself also so "to walk", even as he walked. The man who "presses toward the Prize of this calling" (Phil. 3:14), would be a "Christian", as defined by scripture, in my view.
The Jesus "of the bible" speaks to these "many" in Matt. 6., as men who frequent manmade shrines of worship, made of wood and stone called "Synagogues" (ναός, οῦ, ὁ) (a temple, a shrine, that part of the temple where God himself resides), and building these manmade structures for their god to reside in has been a tradition of this world's religions for a long time, perhaps as far back as the Tower of Babel.
The Bible teaches that God doesn't reside in temples made of wood and stone, and therefore HE pointed out, through His Son, that those who frequent them, do so to be seen of other men, not God. HE goes on to instruct "Christians" how to pray and do alms. Neither Jesus, nor those who walked like HE did, in the examples shown in the New Testament, built or promoted the building of these manmade shrines of worship.
I'm not sure it really matters what the difference is between Pharisees and the Sadducees, as they both "profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate".
Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to debate the difference between a man from one "Christian" religious sect or business of this world, from another "Christian" religious sect or business of this world, if they both transgress God's commandments by their own religious traditions. According to the Lord's Christ Himself, there are 2 kinds of "Christians".
Those who "Hear" His Sayings, and "DO THEM", and those who hear His Sayings, and "DO THEM NOT".
I advocate that men deny themselves, and become a "Doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only. That men should strive to enter this Path, followed by the Few, and not the other, followed by the "many".
David Koberstein
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Christianity is so commercialized with the sin and hypocrisy that goes with it. I try to visit a different protestant church each week to find out why there is so many Christian denominations. Currently, church attendance is at an all time low. The last two churches I visited were without pastors. Go figure.
Religion has been big business for a long time and has provided power and wealth to men for centuries. The Pharisees turned the Priesthood into a business, and the Temple as the center of their enterprise. "Just come as you are, and buy a turtle dove or goat from us, and your sins are forgiven".
This seductive philosophy has been adopted and promoted by this world's "Christian" religions since Constantine, in my view. And for a fee, usually 10%, you too can "come as you are" and offer to God the Blood of a perfectly innocent life, to atone for your willful iniquity.
But as the Spirit of Christ in Samuel teaches;
1 Sam. 15: 22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, "to obey" is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. 23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
If the Christian "church denominations" are promoting doctrines and traditions of men, and not God, which we both know they are, this would be good news. But I don't think that is what's happening. People are turned off about God altogether, because of the hypocrisy of the religions of this world "who profess to know Him". I think this is clearly evidenced by the change in culture. This was the same problem that resulted in the Jews religion that the Pharisees promoted. As it is written; "For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written".
As a boy, my dad owned a bar, and my mom was a devout AOG member. While my dad was known as an honest, generous person by everyone who knew him, the "church" in town judged and derided him for owning a bar. At night, at the bar dad would see those holy rollers who judged him, sneaking around with other women, screwing others in business deals, and always hiding behind the Bible. As a result, he didn't want to become like them, so he stayed away from God. I did too until I was prompted to start studying the Bible for myself. And when I did, it became clear that these religious men are the ones Paul spoke of to Titus, "who profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate"
Jesus warned of this very thing, in my view.
Matt. 24: 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And "because" iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The church I attend and have for almost 30 years now, has Pastors. The Lord's Christ and those others HIS FATHER sent like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Peter, James, Paul etc.
I think this is what you meant to say. It's clear from your posts, in my view, that you have a teacher.
Rockerduck
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CS Lewis once replied to a group of different men of different religions discussion. They asked him what makes Christians different. He simply replied one word "Grace".
If your are a born again from above Christian, you have forgiveness of sins, before you do it. No other religion on earth does that. I'll tell you what I tell Mormons and JW's that have knocked on my door. All the religions on earth will tell you, you can be good enough, and they are all works religions, you have to do something. Christianity is the only religion on earth that says you are not good enough and never will be. You need a Savior.
If your are a born again from above Christian, you have forgiveness of sins, before you do it. No other religion on earth does that. I'll tell you what I tell Mormons and JW's that have knocked on my door. All the religions on earth will tell you, you can be good enough, and they are all works religions, you have to do something. Christianity is the only religion on earth that says you are not good enough and never will be. You need a Savior.
David Koberstein
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I downstream my Bible teaching from Love Israel with Baruch Korman.
Rockerduck
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I've seen him before. He doesn't use any bible translation, so he says, but I used Young's literal translation and followed along with him. He could have just used that translation so others can follow along. I'm always the skeptic when someone says something that my bible does not say at least close to the same thing. If he teaches something, I want to underline that in my bible. My motto is, if a preacher doesn't preach Jesus, he ain't preaching.
David Koberstein
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I agree. Whatever translation Bible, Baruch uses it's in Hebrew or Jewish
book binding because everything is backwards.The normal front of the book is the last page of the book and what is normally the back of the book is the first page.
Baruch has a PHD in biblical languages.
Shalom
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Have you heard that not all of Israel is of Israel .
Well not all who profess to be christain are of Christ .
I should know , i once was one of the worst of them .
Thank God for His true grace by which HE changed my heart and put me into the scriptures to learn .
David Koberstein
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Glad you seen the Light.
jeremiah1five
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You must have had a Hebrew in your family ancestry for the covenant is to Abraham's seed.
David Koberstein
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Maybe and maybe not
civic
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yes there are non christians, non religious people who reflect godly qualities moreso than many who name the name of Jesus.Personally speaking most of the time I get treated better by the world than some Christians. I also will do business with a fellow Jew
David Koberstein
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Unfortunately that is true
jeremiah1five
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If you're not of Abraham's seed, then your "Christianity" is a lie.
The Abraham, Mosaic, and New Covenants are between God, Abraham, and Abraham's seed, a people later to be called the children of Israel and the House of Israel and Judah.
No Gentiles.
