Hallowed Be Thy Name

Wrangler

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This is the way I was taught the Lord's Prayer. As a child, I always fond it odd that God's name is to be hallowed, on the one hand but not known or spoken of on the other hand. How can you revere a name you do not speak. In fact, it is the ultimate form of dissing in our cancel culture.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:9 (KJV)

Trinitarians like to ignore thy name of our God, our Father.

God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh,the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.

This
is my eternal name,
my name to remember for all generations.

Exodus 3:15 (NLT)

The verse is as explicit as can be! YHWH is the name of God (THE God of Jesus, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob) who sent Moses. Moreover, YHWH is God's eternal name! YHWH is the name of God to remember for all generations.

Why is this attribute of God dismissed and ignored in Christendom?
 
Except Jesus is called the Holy One as well. He is called YHWN many times too. So your premise is not true. :) We do not dismiss this attribute of God. God is Holy- Jesus is Holy. Both are Holy and called YHWH.
 
This is the way I was taught the Lord's Prayer. As a child, I always fond it odd that God's name is to be hallowed, on the one hand but not known or spoken of on the other hand. How can you revere a name you do not speak. In fact, it is the ultimate form of dissing in our cancel culture.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Matthew 6:9 (KJV)

Trinitarians like to ignore thy name of our God, our Father.

God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: Yahweh,the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.

This is my eternal name,
my name to remember for all generations.

Exodus 3:15 (NLT)

The verse is as explicit as can be! YHWH is the name of God (THE God of Jesus, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob) who sent Moses. Moreover, YHWH is God's eternal name! YHWH is the name of God to remember for all generations.

Why is this attribute of God dismissed and ignored in Christendom?
Good question. All I can do is probe history. Even though KJV used the Masoretic text for its OT, it still drew from the LXX at times. For example, it's interesting that the names for Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, etc... are names derived from the LXX. So it's not just the name of God that got translated, it's other things too. So it wasn't a concerted effort on God's name only, if anyone is thinking that way.

Anyways, the Apostles maintained the LXX naming convention, including God's name, and the rest is history.

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. (KJV)
 
God's name is to be hallowed


The same Greek word for "hallowed"(hagiazō) in Matthew 6:9 is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in 1 Peter 3:15.

1 Peter 3:15
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence.

The Lord Jesus is to be sanctified (hallowed) as Lord (YHWH) in worship. In fact, Peter quotes from Isaiah 8:13 and applies what is written about YHWH in direct reference to the Lord Jesus. Thus. the Lord Jesus is to be worshiped as being YHWH.

1. Peter H. Davids: Christ is to be sanctified as Lord...This quotation also reveals more about Peter's Christology, for he takes a passage definitely speaking about God in the OT and refers it to Christ, making clear by his addition that that is the sense in which he is taking "Lord." This way of expressing his high Christology is typical for Peter (The New International Commentary on the New Testament, 1 Peter, page 131).

2. Daniel C. Arichea and Eugene A. Nida: The closest equivalent of have reverence for Christ may be "worship Christ," to which, of course, may be added "in your heart" (A Translator's Handbook on the First Letter From Peter, page 106).
 
So it wasn't a concerted effort on God's name only, if anyone is thinking that way.
Well, for the purpose of this thread, it doesn't matter if other corruptions took place. Perhaps that is a subject for another thread?

My understanding of the non-use of what is often called the divine name began in Jewish culture as a way to guard against using the LORD's name in vain ... If you don't use the name YHWH at all, you cannot use it in vain.

Other's might attribute the non-use to being too holy for us to utter. All that said, in our 21st century American culture, let's stick to the Biblical facts.
  1. God's name is YHWH.
  2. Jesus commanded us to keep God's name, YHWH, sacred.
I submit that we cannot honor God or Jesus by keeping God's name unused.
 
Well, for the purpose of this thread, it doesn't matter if other corruptions took place. Perhaps that is a subject for another thread?

My understanding of the non-use of what is often called the divine name began in Jewish culture as a way to guard against using the LORD's name in vain ... If you don't use the name YHWH at all, you cannot use it in vain.

Other's might attribute the non-use to being too holy for us to utter. All that said, in our 21st century American culture, let's stick to the Biblical facts.
  1. God's name is YHWH.
  2. Jesus commanded us to keep God's name, YHWH, sacred.
I submit that we cannot honor God or Jesus by keeping God's name unused.
You can file your grievance against what the Apostles did at your nearest Church.
 
God has many names, titles and descriptions in both Testaments. Its a strawman argument used by unitarians to eliminate Christ from being God/YHWH.

We know Christ says and does the things only God can say and do. All the attributes of the Father are true of the Son.
 
Except Jesus is called the Holy One as well.
Appeal to Strawman. No rational person can believe that is true. Extreme eisegesis once again!

Said differently, the subject of this thread is the personal and eternal name of God, which is explicitly in Scripture as YHWH - not Jesus. The subject of this thread is NOT who in Scripture had titles in common, including "Holy One." Your reasoning is analagous to:

P1. Mike Tyson was called The Heavyweight Champion of the World.
P2. The title of "The Heavyweight Champion of the World" also applied to Wladimir Klitschko.
C. Wladimir Klitschko is the real name for Mike Tyson.

I challenge you to produce a single Scripture verse that does not imply by use of a title (lord) but explicitly states the personal name of Jesus is the Holy One.
 
God has many names, titles and descriptions in both Testaments.
Anti-truth. I just showed the definitive verse in question regarding God's name. Titles are not a persons (or Being's) name.

Pretending titles equals a persons name is a trinitarian invention to rationalizing the son is the father. It makes no sense - on any level.
 
Appeal to Strawman. No rational person can believe that is true. Extreme eisegesis once again!

Said differently, the subject of this thread is the personal and eternal name of God, which is explicitly in Scripture as YHWH - not Jesus. The subject of this thread is NOT who in Scripture had titles in common, including "Holy One." Your reasoning is analagous to:

P1. Mike Tyson was called The Heavyweight Champion of the World.
P2. The title of "The Heavyweight Champion of the World" also applied to Wladimir Klitschko.
C. Wladimir Klitschko is the real name for Mike Tyson.

I challenge you to produce a single Scripture verse that does not imply by use of a title (lord) but explicitly states the personal name of Jesus is the Holy One.
Ok I’ll show you where the NT Apostles identify the Son as YHWH in the OT.
 
Anti-truth. I just showed the definitive verse in question regarding God's name. Titles are not a persons (or Being's) name.

Pretending titles equals a persons name is a trinitarian invention to rationalizing the son is the father. It makes no sense - on any level.
Truth Christ is YHWH !


Isa 6:3-5

Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,

The whole earth is full of His glory."

4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5 Then I said,

"Woe is me, for I am ruined!

Because I am a man of unclean lips,

And I live among a people of unclean lips;

For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."


Below the Apostles John declares that it was indeed the pre Incarnate Son whom Isaiah saw who is known as YHWH in the O.T.


John 12:41

41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.


Isa 45:18-25

18
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited),

"I am the Lord, and there is none else.

19 " I have not spoken in secret,

In some dark land;

I did not say to the offspring of Jacob,

' Seek Me in a waste place';

I, the Lord, speak righteousness,

Declaring things that are upright.

20 "Gather yourselves and come;

Draw near together, you fugitives of the nations;

They have no knowledge,

Who carry about their wooden idol

And pray to a god who cannot save.

21 "Declare and set forth your case;

Indeed, let them consult together.

Who has announced this from of old?

Who has long since declared it?

Is it not I, the Lord?

And there is no other God besides Me,

A righteous God and a Savior;

There is none except Me.

22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;

For I am God, and there is no other.

23 "I have sworn by Myself,

The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness

And will not turn back,

That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

24 "They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.'

Men will come to Him,

And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.

25 "In the Lord all the offspring of Israel

Will be justified and will glory."


Below we see Paul identify Jesus once again as YHWH in Philippians 2 by quoting Isaiah 45 and applying that passage to Jesus.


Phil 2:9-11
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I have plenty more examples where Christ is identified as YHWH in the O.T.

hope this helps !!!
 
The same Greek word for "hallowed"(hagiazō) in Matthew 6:9 is used in reference to the Lord Jesus in 1 Peter 3:15.
Huh? Everyone says I am. That makes everyone God?

It's like any words used in common qualify the manmade doctrine AS IF there is a reasonable rejection criteria. This is not the subject of the thread, the words used in common. The thread is about the holy, divine, eternal name of God - which is not Jesus.
 
You can file your grievance against what the Apostles did at your nearest Church.
On the contrary. The Apostles identified only the Father as God in every Epistle AND baptized people only in the name of Jesus - not the trinitarian invention. Do you suppose they disobeyed Christ?
 
Truth Christ is YHWH !


Isa 6:3-5

Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,

The whole earth is full of His glory."

4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5 Then I said,

"Woe is me, for I am ruined!

Because I am a man of unclean lips,

And I live among a people of unclean lips;

For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."


Below the Apostles John declares that it was indeed the pre Incarnate Son whom Isaiah saw who is known as YHWH in the O.T.
This is what you rely on? That's what I figured. Nowhere does it say that Jesus is YHWH.
 
Huh? Everyone says I am. That makes everyone God?

What are you talking about?


This is not the subject of the thread, the words used in common.

You were the one who originally quoted Matthew 6:9.
1 Peter 3:15 directly refers to the thread in that Christians are to "hallow/sanctify" the name of Christ in equality with that of the Father.


The thread is about the holy, divine, eternal name of God - which is not Jesus.

Which Isaiah 8:13 directly speaks about.
And Peter uses this text in direct application to Jesus in 1 Peter 3:15.
 
What are you talking about?




You were the one who originally quoted Matthew 6:9.
1 Peter 3:15 directly refers to the thread in that Christians are to "hallow/sanctify" the name of Christ in equality with that of the Father.
Typical trinitarian tactic - change the subject. I am talking about what Jesus said. You want to talk about what Peter said. Who is your Lord, Jesus or Peter?
 
Typical trinitarian tactic - change the subject. I am talking about what Jesus said. You want to talk about what Peter said. Who is your Lord, Jesus or Peter?

Typical Unitarian dodge and a terrible attempt to pit Scripture against Scripture.
1 Peter 3:15 is equally authoritative as Matthew 6:9.
 
On the contrary. The Apostles identified only the Father as God in every Epistle
You obviously have never read John Chapter 1.
AND baptized people only in the name of Jesus - not the trinitarian invention.
You obviously have never read Matthew 28:19.
Do you suppose they disobeyed Christ?
They clearly obeyed Christ. No need for you to even suggest that, no need to denigrate them. It's you that needs to read the Bible in its entirety.
 
Exodus 3:15 (NLT)


Exodus 3:1-6
(1) Now Moses was pasturing the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian; and he led the flock to the west side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God.
(2) The Messenger of YHWH appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of the bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
(3) So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.”
(4) When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
(5) Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.”
(6) He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.


The above demonstrates the Messenger of YHWH is YHWH.
 
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