Gospel of Christ: Is It Law Or Did It End Law?

[Titus]

Gospel is new testament Law.
Pay close attention to what Paul teaches in Romans 8:2, it reads,
- there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit
- for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Paul is teaching of two laws here.
The law of the Spirit that frees from the law of sin and death.

First is the new testament law, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Second is the old law that cannot give life it only brings sin and death.

Paul talks about these two laws using very similar words in Galatians. Read Galatians 5:1,
- standfast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us  free
And be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage

In these verses Paul is contrasting two laws.
The old testament law of Moses i.e. the law of sin and death.
The new testament law. It gives life, liberty, freedom in Christ.

The new testament law is who ALL are under today. Both the jew and the gentile.
The new law replaced the old.
This new testament law is the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Galatians 6:2,
- bear ye one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ

1 Corinthians 9:21,
- to them that are without law as without law being not without law to God but under the law of Christ that I might gain them that are without law

The gospel is the good news. But also the good news can be disobeyed.
The only way to disobey the gospel is if it contains commands.
Since the gospel contains commands it is therefore Gods new testament law.
2 Thessalonians 1:8,
- in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Jesus is the law giver under the new covenant, the new testament, the new law, the gospel of Jesus.
Matthew 28:18-20,
- and Jesus came and spake unto them saying, all power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth
- teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you...

The new testament gospel is the rule of judgement.
Romans 2:16,
- in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel

John 12:48,
- he that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words hath one that judgeth him, the word that I have spoken the same shall judge him in the last day

The gospel is not only the standard to salvation and godly living but also the standard by which God will judge all people both jew and gentile.

Some have been misled to believe we are not under law but under grace.
While others believe there is one continuous covenant, therefore the law of Moses is still in effect.
Both of these beliefs are error. The Bible does not teach this.

If not under law then God does not charge us with sin. As there can be no accountability of sin if there is no law.
Romans 5:13,
- for until the law sin was in the world but sin is not imputed when there is no law

But what about grace? Doesn't law cancel grace?
Romans 6:14-15; 17
- for sin shall not have dominion over you for ye are not under law(old testament, old law of Moses) but under grace

Paul is not teaching we today are not under any law.
Paul is teaching we are freed from the old covenant law of Moses. It is no longer binding.
Keep reading chapter 6 and you will learn that obedience to the doctrine of Christ freed them.
That proves they are under law for they had to obey commandments.
Verse 17 of Romans chapter 6,
- but God be thanked that ye were servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you
- being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness

While we are not under a system of law that saves by law keeping.
Grace does not give us freedom to sin.
Grace teaches us a new way of how to obey. That new way is the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Titus 2:11-12,
- for the  grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men
- teaching us that denying ungodlyness and worldly lusts we should live soberly, righteously and godly in this present world

The old law ended. No one could be saved by the old law. But Christs new law, His gospel can set men free from there sins. It is perfect while the old law is imperfect. Christs new law is perfect meaning complete because it can give all liberty from the bondage of sin.

Galatians 5:4,
- Christ has become of no effect unto you, whosoever you are justified by the law(old testament law), ye have fallen from grace

James 1:25,
- but whose looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continueth therein he being not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his work

Conclusion: I could give more evidence but this is sufficient.
The new testament gospel of Jesus Christ is also His new covenant and His new law.

Jesus said: John 13:34-35 = Leviticus 19:18 = but a higher standard than the old law, John 15:13.
- a new commandment(new law) I give unto you that ye love one another as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

- By this SHALL ALL MEN KNOW that ye are My disciples if ye have love one to another

 

[mikesw]

Gospel is new testament Law.
Pay close attention to what Paul teaches in Romans 8:2, it reads,
- there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit
- for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death

Those in Christ are freed from the letter of the Mosaic law but are called to the simple law of loving one another. The details are not enumerated since the law is just being aware to attend the needs of others in Christ. To some degree, this probably has permeated the European general culture in a fashion that makes Christian love less distinct. I'm not sure if there is another principle underlying this law of Christ.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus may reflect a principle that Christians have the Spirit of life guiding them -- the best of my understanding at the moment. It has been noted that Paul may use nomos flexibly to include principle:

In their treatment of the word, after the general concept “of any law” BAGD have “2. a rule governing one’s actions, principle, norm” (they cite as an example “the tune that the bird sings”!).
Leon Morris, The Epistle to the Romans, Inter-Varsity Press, 1988, 144.

The Mosaic law is identified in Rom 3:19 as applying to Jews who were under that law. Paul has expressed that the law was for Jews but it had only made accusations against them being righteous through it. Any obligation of the law was fulfilled through Christ. But the Mosaic law was still the wisdom of God for instruction in 2 Tim 3:16.

Paul seems to use the flexible sense of nomos to balance with the Jewish law. In a sense, Paul fills the void with the law of Christ so they are not seen as antinomian and so they would not be inclined to seek the letter of the law.

 

[Titus]

Those in Christ are freed from the letter of the Mosaic law but are called to the simple law of loving one another. The details are not enumerated since the law is just being aware to attend the needs of others in Christ. To some degree, this probably has permeated the European general culture in a fashion that makes Christian love less distinct. I'm not sure if there is another principle underlying this law of Christ.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus may reflect a principle that Christians have the Spirit of life guiding them -- the best of my understanding at the moment. It has been noted that Paul may use nomos flexibly to include principle:


The Mosaic law is identified in Rom 3:19 as applying to Jews who were under that law. Paul has expressed that the law was for Jews but it had only made accusations against them being righteous through it. Any obligation of the law was fulfilled through Christ. But the Mosaic law was still the wisdom of God for instruction in 2 Tim 3:16.

Paul seems to use the flexible sense of nomos to balance with the Jewish law. In a sense, Paul fills the void with the law of Christ so they are not seen as antinomian and so they would not be inclined to seek the letter of the law.

Thanks for reading my post.

but are called to the simple law of loving one another.

This is an oversimplification of the new testament gospel i.e. new law of Christ.

The foundation of Christs law is love. Love for God, love for your fellow man.
Christ sums this up in Matthew 22:37-40,
- you shal, love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind, this is the first and greatest commandment
and the second is this, you shall love your neighbor as yourself, on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets

Jesus summarized the law, this means every law of God is to be obeyed based on love of God love of others.
Not our of necessity. But from a motivation to love God to be willing to obey Him.

1John 5:2,
- by this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments

Jesus' new testament gospel/law includes moral expectations,
Forgiving others
Avoiding lust
Keeping your word
Denying self
Church discipline
Honoring marriage
etc.

Even salvation has laws to be saved. New gospel law never old law of Moses.
The commandments in the gospel to be born again.
Believe 1John 3:23-24 ; Mark 16:15-16
Repent, Acts 17:30-31
Confess faith in Christ, Romans 10:9-10 ; Acts 8:37
Baptism, Acts 2:38 ; Acts 10:47-48
Faithfull to Jesus till death, Revelation 2:10

Obeying these commandments must come from love of God love of others.

But the Mosaic law was still the wisdom of God for instruction in 2 Tim 3:16.

Paul is stating a general truth that all of Gods instruction is profitable.We learn from the old testament still.
Paul does not mean the old law is still binding.
Many of the old laws are moral laws. Gods morality does not change therefore many laws seem to be from the old have been included in His new law.
God ended the old law, so any laws that look similar to the old are not old but new just restated under the new law.

Romans 10:4,
- for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes
In 2 Timothy 3:16 Paul is including the new law in this passage. It does not only refer to the old law,
2 Peter 3:15-16, proves new testament writings were already being referred to as scripture.

I can go into more depth on proving no one keeps the old law of Moses today if you like.

 

[mikesw]

I realize I might have been a bit brief on the law of love but not too far off. I do not think it has any violations since it is unspecified good deeds.
One thing about the "laws" you enumerated is that they come from Matt 5-7 which I would argue only informs the Christian in slight details -- like the beatitudes and roughly in other ways. Much of it I think is directed toward those who seek righteousness through the law. For example, someone who feels they are righteous for not murdering people now are exposed for violating the concept by hating one's brother. The divorce issue is the effort to circumvent God's direction by doing a writ of divorce, as if that kept the person righteous.
Although we see wise information, I do not think Jesus is indicating that Christians would be indicted for violations more readily than those under the Mosaic law. We do see a higher ideal toward righteousness. That should be inspiration for our behavior but not law for it. I think it becomes problematic when church groups try to make Matt 5-7 basis for their dominant law-enforcing mentality.
Overall, I would say we have to have balance between neglect of God's wisdom and judging others based on Matt 5-7. This also relates to many other things in the synoptic gospels.

 

[Titus]

I realize I might have been a bit brief on the law of love but not too far off. I do not think it has any violations since it is unspecified good deeds.
One thing about the "laws" you enumerated is that they come from Matt 5-7 which I would argue only informs the Christian in slight details -- like the beatitudes and roughly in other ways. Much of it I think is directed toward those who seek righteousness through the law. For example, someone who feels they are righteous for not murdering people now are exposed for violating the concept by hating one's brother. The divorce issue is the effort to circumvent God's direction by doing a writ of divorce, as if that kept the person righteous.
Although we see wise information, I do not think Jesus is indicating that Christians would be indicted for violations more readily than those under the Mosaic law. We do see a higher ideal toward righteousness. That should be inspiration for our behavior but not law for it. I think it becomes problematic when church groups try to make Matt 5-7 basis for their dominant law-enforcing mentality.
Overall, I would say we have to have balance between neglect of God's wisdom and judging others based on Matt 5-7. This also relates to many other things in the synoptic gospels.

Oh, yes friend there are violations for not obeying the new testament gospel.
This is the key verse. I've memorized it.
This includes the beatitudes.
Think of the beatitudes as fruit of the Spirit.
They are the inward change of a mans heart, that results in external good works.
Everything Jesus taught we should be as His children and all that He told us to practise is under His new testament gospel.
Here's the verse again,
Matthew 28:18-20,
- and Jesus came and spoke to them saying, all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth
- teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you.... and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age

Beatitudes and fruits of the spirit, Galatians 5:22-23 Christ gives severe consequences if we dont bear good fruit,
John 15:2 ; Matthew 7:19,
- every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire
- He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit He prunes so that it will, be even more fruitful

Nowhere in the gospel are "rough" ideas not fully clear given.
Jesus' teaching is precise, refined can be perfectly understood,
Jesus laid out a literal pattern to live by,
2 Timothy 1:13,
- Hold fast the pattern of sound words which thou hast heard of Me in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus

Jesus' new covenant,testament gospel is literally a pattern a " blueprint" that must be followed.
So was Gods old testament law,
Hebrews 8:5,
-....as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle for See, saith he that thou make all things according to the  pattern shewed to thee in the mount

Much of it I think is directed toward those who seek righteousness through the law

Seeking righteousness by law keeping is impossible.
The Jews got themselves in a mess. They lost sight of doing Gods will based upon love.
Instead they got focused on working the law in a meritorious sense.
They actually thought they could earn heaven by keeping the law.
Where's the love for God? Wheres depending on Gods grace?
They replaced Grace and love with works, meritorious works.

The law of Christ frees it liberates not because keeping laws themselves earn our salvation.
But because of Grace and mercy and Christs shed blood is there to cover us when we obey.
No merit in law keeping period.
There was grace in keeping the old law. That's really how old testament Jews that were faithful to God were saved. Did they have to keep,the law? Yes, but It was Gods grace not law keeping that saved them.
Only way any law could justify a man is to keep it perfectly, which no man could do, hence God steps in to save us with His grace and mercy.
Only Christ kept the law perfectly.
We are under a system of grace but that does not cancel out law keeping. God demands we keep His commandments in the new law. The old has served its purpose. It's been fullfilled in Christ, meaning brought to completion.
Romans 6:1-2,
- what shall, we say then, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound God forbid how shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein

In this same chapter Paul teaches we are freed/ justified from sin by obeying
Christ new testament gospel,
That's how we receive Gods grace, through faith and obedience to His gospel.
Romans 6:17-18,
- but God be thanked that ye were servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered to you being made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness

 

[mikesw]

I would find your view within an acceptable range of beliefs. I have in mind a couple verses. One contradicts your wording earlier another is a general principle:
Romans 6:14 (ESV)
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

1 Timothy 1:9 (ESV)
9understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers,

Paul was breaking the Galatians away from looking to be under the Mosaic law. I think he did not want the same problems to happen with gentiles that happened among Jews -- making the law the focus and judging other Jews based on the public display of laws.
Galatians 5:13–15 (ESV)
13For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.
14For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
15But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another.

Paul still told them to walk by the Spirit, That contrasts with walking by the flesh to which he addressed thoroughly in Gal 5:16ff. God's Spirit in us makes us different creatures and made us righteous.

 

[mikesw]

Oh, yes friend there are violations for not obeying the new testament gospel.
This is the key verse. I've memorized it.
This includes the beatitudes.
Think of the beatitudes as fruit of the Spirit.
They are the inward change of a mans heart, that results in external good works.
Everything Jesus taught we should be as His children and all that He told us to practise is under His new testament gospel.
Here's the verse again,
Matthew 28:18-20,
- and Jesus came and spoke to them saying, all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth
- teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you.... and lo, I am with you always even to the end of the age

Beatitudes and fruits of the spirit, Galatians 5:22-23 Christ gives severe consequences if we dont bear good fruit,
John 15:2 ; Matthew 7:19,
- every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire
- He cuts off every branch in Me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit He prunes so that it will, be even more fruitful

Nowhere in the gospel are "rough" ideas not fully clear given.
Jesus' teaching is precise, refined can be perfectly understood,
Jesus laid out a literal pattern to live by,

When I used the word "roughly," I was trying to say there are other things I would include more directly and somethings are mainly addressed to the broad Jewish behaviors that you sort of reveal in the quoted text below.
One guide I have especially for the synoptic gospels is to pay attention to the audience/recipients and context. For example, Matthew addresses contexts of Jesus to the audience of Pharisees for their hearing. Matthew also shares those interactions especially tailored to a Jewish readership while Luke writes for a gentile audience. Consequently, much shows points Jesus makes primarily to a Jewish audience.

Seeking righteousness by law keeping is impossible.
The Jews got themselves in a mess. They lost sight of doing Gods will based upon love.
Instead they got focused on working the law in a meritorious sense.
They actually thought they could earn heaven by keeping the law.
Where's the love for God? Wheres depending on Gods grace?
They replaced Grace and love with works, meritorious works.

The Jewish focus on doing the law as a way of righteousness likely as the outcome of a law-emphasis after the Maccabean revolt. Against what you said earlier, the law never was what the saints of old followed to become righteous. It always has been faith toward God.
I actually think the problems were deeper than the works of the law. Paul focused on works because that was his concern about focus on the Mosaic law going forward. The problems of course are falling away from honoring God. Some of this was settling in to the Roman culture in ways they either enjoyed purposefully or came in through gradual acclimation.

 

[Titus]

When I used the word "roughly," I was trying to say there are other things I would include more directly and somethings are mainly addressed to the broad Jewish behaviors that you sort of reveal in the quoted text below.
One guide I have especially for the synoptic gospels is to pay attention to the audience/recipients and context. For example, Matthew addresses contexts of Jesus to the audience of Pharisees for their hearing. Matthew also shares those interactions especially tailored to a Jewish readership while Luke writes for a gentile audience. Consequently, much shows points Jesus makes primarily to a Jewish audience.

The Jewish focus on doing the law as a way of righteousness likely as the outcome of a law-emphasis after the Maccabean revolt. Against what you said earlier, the law never was what the saints of old followed to become righteous. It always has been faith toward God.
I actually think the problems were deeper than the works of the law. Paul focused on works because that was his concern about focus on the Mosaic law going forward. The problems of course are falling away from honoring God. Some of this was settling in to the Roman culture in ways they either enjoyed purposefully or came in through gradual acclimation.

I read everything you posted. Thanks for showing interest in my work.
I dont want to offend you intentionally but I need to ask.
Will you tell me plainly if you believe any of the old law of Moses is still being bound(obligated to follow) on Jews or gentiles today?
If you already explained this I apologize.

Sometimes I need things "spelled out" to understand. Dont want to misrepresent your beliefs.
Thanks

 

[mikesw]

I read everything you posted. Thanks for showing interest in my work.
I dont want to offend you intentionally but I need to ask.
Will you tell me plainly if you believe any of the old law of Moses is still being bound(obligated to follow) on Jews or gentiles today?
If you already explained this I apologize.

Sometimes I need things "spelled out" to understand. Dont want to misrepresent your beliefs.
Thanks

I shared Romans 3:19 that shows the Mosaic law applied to the people it was written for. Paul shares that same idea in Gal 3:17-20. He shares that the Mosaic law was added to the Israel people due to their transgressions in sort of a mediatorial act to resolve the problem between God and the people.
The legal application of the Mosaic law ended in the first century with the arrival of the Christ. The mediation of the law no longer applied in the promised arrival of Christ.
However, Paul never devalues the insights and wisdom of God reflected in the Mosaic law.

 

[Titus]

I shared Romans 3:19 that shows the Mosaic law applied to the people it was written for. Paul shares that same idea in Gal 3:17-20. He shares that the Mosaic law was added to the Israel people due to their transgressions in sort of a mediatorial act to resolve the problem between God and the people.
The legal application of the Mosaic law ended in the first century with the arrival of the Christ. The mediation of the law no longer applied in the promised arrival of Christ.
However, Paul never devalues the insights and wisdom of God reflected in the Mosaic law.

You've misunderstood the book of Galatians and Romans.
Paul is teaching in all his epistles that the old law has been done away. All of it.

It no longer applies to any person.
Romans 3:19,
- now we know that what things soever the law saith it saith to them who are under the law that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God

" Now we know that what soever the law saith" is past tense.
Paul says those who were formally under the law of Moses.
He is nor implying they are still under it.
You realize the letter to the church in Rome is written to christians not those in the Jewish religion.
His audience has left that religion but they need help understanding that they cannot practice it any longer because Christ was the end to the law, Romans 10:4.

So Romans 3:19 is not teaching the Law still binds the Jews today, rather its saying that the Law had already served its purpose to show their guilt and need for a Savior.

Romans 3:19, 20,
- therefore by the works of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight for the law is the knowledge of sin

Paul tells these Jewish christians that the old law was never intended as a way of salvation.
Instead, it showed sin.
The key transition point : - and now Christ has come it is no longer in force, Galatians 3:24-25

In Romans Paul teaches jewish christians are  now under a new system.
Not Moses' Law.
Romans 7:4-6,
- wherefore my brethren ye also become dead to the law by the body of Christ that ye should be married to another even to Him who is raised from the dead that we should bring forth fruit unto God
- but now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held that we should serve in newness of spirit and NOT in the oldness of the letter


Newness of spirit. They are under the new testament law of Christ friend.
Notice Paul said they are dead to the law by the body of Christ

This means when God saves, He adds to His body, the church.
Once a person jew or gentile is added to the Lords body by God, Acts 2:47.
They are now dead to the old law.

Paul says the same in Galatians 3:17-20 ; 22-27. These Jews are in Christ's body.
- and this I say that the covenant that was confirmed before of God in Christ the law,which was four hundred and thirty years after cannot disannul that it should make the promise of none effect
- for if the inheritance be of the law it is no more of promise by God gave it to Abraham by promise

Keep reading the whole chapter,
V.23-27,
- but before faith(Jesus' new testament gospel) came we were kept under the law(old law of Moses) shut up unto the faith(new testament gospel) which should afterwards be revealed
Wherefore the law(old law) was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith(law that free, liberty)
- but after that faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster
- for we are all children of God by faith(new law, gospel) in Christ Jesus
- for as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ
- there is neither jew nor Greek there is neither slave nor free there is nether Male nor female for as ye are ALL one in Christ

These Jews are now in Christ.
That means they are in Christs body.
That means they are dead, dead, dead, to the old law, Romans 7:4.

Notice, Galatians 3:25, - but after that faith is come....

Faith meaning the gospel has come!!!
Jesus is the end of the Mosiac law, when faith comes. Faith is here.
Romans 10:4,
- for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth( in the new testament gospel, believes on Christ as their Messiah)


No born again jew was ever again under any of the Mosaical law.
Paul made this clear in his books to the church in Rome and Galatia.

 

[mikesw]

You've misunderstood the book of Galatians and Romans.
Paul is teaching in all his epistles that the old law has been done away. All of it.
...

No born again jew was ever again under any of the Mosaical law.
Paul made this clear in his books to the church in Rome and Galatia.

You effectively agree with me, so it was odd to find you saying I thought the Mosaic law still created a legal obligation on anyone. I detect that you thought that Rom 3:19-20 was saying the law still applied to Jews. I was just showing it never applied to gentiles.

The only available relationship with God since the time of Christ is through Jesus Christ. Hope this helps.

 

[Titus]

You effectively agree with me, so it was odd to find you saying I thought the Mosaic law still created a legal obligation on anyone. I detect that you thought that Rom 3:19-20 was saying the law still applied to Jews. I was just showing it never applied to gentiles.

The only available relationship with God since the time of Christ is through Jesus Christ. Hope this helps.

Excellent.
As I said, i need things spelled out, lol.

 

[civic]

In summarizing our moral responsibilities to one another, Jesus repeats four of the Ten Commandments to the young ruler in Mark 10:17–19. Paul references the Decalogue a number of times in his epistles. Sometimes, he is explicit in reciting some of the commandments, as he does in Romans 13:9. Other times, he references them implicitly, like in 1 Timothy 1:8–10: “But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers [5th and 6th commandments], for murderers [6th commandment] and immoral men and homosexuals [7th commandment] and kidnappers [8th commandment] and liars and perjurers [9th commandment], and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching” (NASB). So, the moral directives embodied in the Ten Commandments are repeated for us, even if we are free from the letter of the law.

Here are the Ten Commandments and where they are found in the New Testament:

1) Do not worship any other gods (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5)

2) Do not make idols (1 John 5:21)

3) Do not misuse the name of the Lord (1 Timothy 6:1)

4) Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. (There are many references to the Sabbath day in the New Testament, including the assumption that Jews under the law in the time of Christ would be observing the Sabbath. But there is no direct or indirect command for believers in the church age to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest or of worship. In fact, Colossians 2:16releases the believer from the Sabbath rule. Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, has become for us our Sabbath rest, according to Hebrews 4:1–11.)

5) Honor your father and your mother (Ephesians 6:1–2)

6) Do not murder (Romans 13:9; 1 Peter 4:15)

7) Do not commit adultery (1 Corinthians 6:9–10)

8) Do not steal (Ephesians 4:28)

9) Do not give false testimony (Revelation 21:8)

10) Do not covet (Colossians 3:5)

The Old Testament law defined sin (Romans 7:7) and brought an awareness of sin (Romans 3:20). Jesus perfectly fulfilled the law on our behalf (Matthew 5:17), and none of the Old Testament law is binding on Christians today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15). Christ precipitated a transition between the Old Covenant and the New. He is, in fact, the One who ratified the New Covenant. One writer explains it this way:

Jesus came to fulfill what “the old” anticipated and to usher in a new covenant and fundamentally new era of history. His followers would not be under the previous administration that had guarded God’s people since Moses. Jesus himself says he did not come to destroy the Law and Prophets, but to do something even more striking: fulfill them (Matthew 5:17). That is, fulfill like prophecy. Not simply keep the Ten in place, or remain under them, or leave them untouched, but fulfill them—first in his own person, and then by his Spirit in his church. He came not to cast off Moses, but to fulfill Jeremiah, and in doing so, he accomplished what is even more radical: establishing himself as the supreme authority, putting God’s law within his people (rather than on tablets), writing it on their hearts (rather than stone), and making all his people to know him (Jeremiah 31:31–34).
(Matthis, D., “Lord of All the Law,” www.desiringgod.org, 6/7/24, accessed 9/12/24).

Christians are not under the Law of Moses, of which the Decalogue is a part, but they are under the law of Christ (see Galatians 5—6). We are to love God and love people (Matthew 22:36–40). If we’re living in the Spirit, we will be doing just that. We won’t violate God’s moral character. Following the commands “Do not murder,” “Do not steal,” etc., are obvious ways of loving God and loving others. And we will have the fruit of the Spirit, “against such there is no law” (Galatians 5:23, NKJV). In other words, the qualities the Holy Spirit produces in our lives perfectly conform with God’s law and display His holy character.. Got ?

Hope this helps !!!

 

[Titus]

Here are the Ten Commandments and where they are found in the New Testament:

1) Do not worship any other gods (1 Corinthians 8:6; 1 Timothy 2:5)

2) Do not make idols (1 John 5:21)

3) Do not misuse the name of the Lord (1 Timothy 6:1)

4) Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. (There are many references to the Sabbath day in the New Testament, including the assumption that Jews under the law in the time of Christ would be observing the Sabbath. But there is no direct or indirect command for believers in the church age to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest or of worship. In fact, Colossians 2:16releases the believer from the Sabbath rule. Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, has become for us our Sabbath rest, according to Hebrews 4:1–11

This is misrepresentation of Gods new testament gospel.
Civic you are mistaken.
You claim 10 commandments and not one reference to christians to keep the old Sabbath law.

In fact you are teaching heresy.
The Pharisees tried to bind the old law on the new testament Christians.
The apostles took care of the matter and determined what law christians should keep.

Acts 15:7- 24,
- but there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed saying that it was needful to circumcise them and to comnand them to keep the law of Moses

The law of Moses from Mount Sini was and always will be the tablets brought down etched in stone.
On those tablets were the 10 commandments.
listen to Peter teach the Jews that the gentiles were saved exactly like they were by the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.

7,9, 11
- and when there had been much disputing Peter rose up, and said unto them, men and brethren ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among the gentiles by my mouth should hesr the word of the gospel and believe(not the law of Moses)
- and put no difference between us and them purifying their hearts by faith(new testament gospel)
- but we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved even as they

- forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us(apostles) have troubled you with words subverting your souls saying,
ye must be circumcised,
and Keep the Law of Moses to who WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT

The law of Moses was never commanded in the new testament by any apostle for any Christian to keep.

Therefore those verses you claim are the 10 commandments CANNOT BE SO.
Because that would be a violation of the Apostles doctrine. The conclusion they came to was what the Holy Spirit led them to proclaim.

Impossible to not violate the new testament gospel if you include the law of Moses.
Christians are taught to follow the apostles doctrine. Nothing in the old law.

Acts 2:42,
- and they(born again christians) continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine....

Colossians 2:14,
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us which was contrary to us and took it out of the way nailing it to His cross

When Jesus died the old testament was no longer in force.
That old covenant had fulfilled its purpose. Jesus nailed it to His cross.

Hebrews 9:16-17,
- for where a testament is there must also be of necessity the death of the testator
- for a testament is in force AFTER MEN ARE DEAD, otherwise it is of no strength while the testator liveth

Jesus's death put and end to the old law, the old covenant.

Hebrews 10:9,
- then said He Lord, I come to do thy will O, God He taketh away the first that He might establish the second

During Jesus' earthly ministry while He was alive the old law of Moses was still in force.
After His death burial and ressurection the old law ended and Christ's new law was established and put into force.

Those passages are the new law of Christ Civic.
You have mistaken moral laws as old laws.
Gods morality doesnt change.
That is why Jesus and his apostles restated some of the old moral laws.
But they are not the 10 commandments. They are Jesus' new testament gospel.

 

[civic]

This is misrepresentation of Gods new testament gospel.
Civic you are mistaken.
You claim 10 commandments and not one reference to christians to keep the old Sabbath law.

In fact you are teaching heresy.
The Pharisees tried to bind the old law on the new testament Christians.
The apostles took care of the matter and determined what law christians should keep.

Acts 15:7- 24,
- but there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed saying that it was needful to circumcise them and to comnand them to keep the law of Moses

The law of Moses from Mount Sini was and always will be the tablets brought down etched in stone.
On those tablets were the 10 commandments.
listen to Peter teach the Jews that the gentiles were saved exactly like they were by the new testament gospel of Jesus Christ.

7,9, 11
- and when there had been much disputing Peter rose up, and said unto them, men and brethren ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among the gentiles by my mouth should hesr the word of the gospel and believe(not the law of Moses)
- and put no difference between us and them purifying their hearts by faith(new testament gospel)
- but we believe that through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved even as they

- forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us(apostles) have troubled you with words subverting your souls saying,
ye must be circumcised,
and Keep the Law of Moses to who WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT

The law of Moses was never commanded in the new testament by any apostle for and Christian to keep.

Therefore those verses you claim are the 10 commandments CANNOT BE SO.
Because that would be a violation of the Apostles doctrine. The conclusion they came to was what the Holy Spirit led them to proclaim.

Impossible to not violate the new testament gospel if you include the law of Moses.
Christians are taught to follow the apostles doctrine. Nothing in the old law.

Acts 2:42,
- and they(born again christians) continued steadfastly in the apostles doctrine....

Colossians 2:14,
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against use which was contrary to us and took it out of the way nailing it to His cross

When Jesus died the old testament was no longer in force.
That old covenant had fulfilled its purpose. Jesus nailed it to His cross.

Hebrews 9:16-17,
- for where a testament is there must also be of necessity the death of the testator
- for a testament is in force AFTER MEN ARE DEAD, otherwise it is of no strength while the testator liveth

Jesus's death put and end to the old law, the old covenant.

Hebrews 10:9,
- then said He Lord, I come to do thy will O, God He taketh away the first that He might establish the second

During Jesus' earthly ministry while He was alive the old law of Moses was still in force.
After His death burial and ressurection the old law ended and Christ's new law was established and put into force.

Those passages are the new law of Christ Civic.
You have mistaken moral laws as old laws.
Gods morality doesnt change.
That is why Jesus and his apostles restated some of the old moral laws.
But they are not the 10 commandments. They are Jesus' new testament gospel.

The 10 commandments are moral. Jesus and the Apostles affirmed them. I quoted the NT saying to obey them.

Next fallacy.

 

[Titus]

The 10 commandments are moral. Jesus and the Apostles affirmed them. I quoted the NT saying to obey them.

Next fallacy.

The fallacy is taking the new teachings in Jesus' gospel and claiming they are old testament law of Moses.
Matthew 22:29.

Love you but you are in err.

 

[civic]

The fallacy is taking the new teachings in Jesus' gospel and claiming they are old testament law of Moses.
Matthew 22:29.

Love you but you are in err.

Nope Jesus said to love the lord your God with all your mind, heart, soul and strength and your neighbor as your self

 

[mikesw]

The fallacy is taking the new teachings in Jesus' gospel and claiming they are old testament law of Moses.
Matthew 22:29.

Love you but you are in err.

Looking at Rom 13:9, it is not telling them to focus on the Mosaic law. Instead, as Jesus has done, Paul emphasizes the summary of love for one's neighbor is the ultimate guide.
I have had the humorous reply to those who fear antinomian effects in Christians who do not put focus on the Mosaic law (haha. as if many Christians do that anyhow). Do you think that someone, upon coming to Christ, is suddenly going to start stealing and coveting and murdering?

As to loving God and not following idols, the Spirit in Christians overrides those inclinations. I do recognize however that Christians can get tricked into yoga and new age stuff, but they will often wake up and realize their error. Or God protects them from the power of those diversions.

 

[Titus]

Nope Jesus said to love the lord your God with all your mind, heart, soul and strength and your neighbor as your self

As already stated, Morality of God does not change.
God is love.
Everything Hes done is from love.
Therefore to be like God we must love as He loved.
The new testament law is a law of love.
Jesus restated what PRECEDED the law of Moses.
Then this truth was affirmed in the law of Moses.
But was only FULLFILLED in Christ.

So no Jesus is not teaching christians are to keep the law of Moses.
He is teaching the most important core moral essence of God. Love.
It is now part of the new testament law of Christ,
John 13:34-35, Galatians 6:2,
- bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ

Matthew 5:17,
- do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets,
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill

This word fulfill literally means to bring to completion.

 

[civic]

As already stated, Morality of God does not change.
God is love.
Everything Hes done is from love.
Therefore to be like God we must love as He loved.
The new testament law is a law of love.
Jesus restated what PRECEDED the law of Moses.
Then this truth was affirmed in the law of Moses.
But was only FULLFILLED in Christ.

So no Jesus is not teaching christians are to keep the law of Moses.
He is teaching the most important core moral essence of God. Love.
It is now part of the new testament law of Christ,
John 13:34-35, Galatians 6:2,
- bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ

Matthew 5:17,
- do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets,
I did not come to destroy but to fulfill

This word fulfill literally means to bring to completion.

Is it a sin to disobey any one of these below ? Yes or no

I rest my case

• “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” ...
• “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.” ...
• “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” ...
• “Honour thy father and thy mother.” ...
• “Thou shalt not kill.” ...
• “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” ...
• “Thou shalt not steal.”