Gods Name Fallacy
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hebrew was not a consonantal language. it has only a few consonants, in ancient form... also, per josephus, the name of God is 4 vowels. Josephus is a hebrew of a time much closer to knowing what would be the case than we are. Overall, I don't feel concerned if anyone calls Him yah, given that the pronunciation would be alright, the vocalic form...
It is not composed of consonants since it was never written down that way until after the israelites cursed themselves -not having listened to Him.
As to the four hebrew letters for ieue, individually, they mean 'He who gives Breath'. (remember, Hebrew reads right to left. also, breath is ruach… רוח... that referring to His Spirit...thus He who gives His Spirit to His creation... as my understanding of His name.
“A mitre also of fine linen encompassed his head, which was tied by a blue ribbon, about which there was another golden crown, in which was engraven the sacred name [of the Almighty]: it consists of four vowels.” ——Josephus, 75 AD, The War of the Jews, Book 5. 5. 7.
It is not composed of consonants since it was never written down that way until after the israelites cursed themselves -not having listened to Him.
As to the four hebrew letters for ieue, individually, they mean 'He who gives Breath'. (remember, Hebrew reads right to left. also, breath is ruach… רוח... that referring to His Spirit...thus He who gives His Spirit to His creation... as my understanding of His name.
“A mitre also of fine linen encompassed his head, which was tied by a blue ribbon, about which there was another golden crown, in which was engraven the sacred name [of the Almighty]: it consists of four vowels.” ——Josephus, 75 AD, The War of the Jews, Book 5. 5. 7.
DavidTree
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ok, good, if ELOHIM said let US and OUR, in Genesis 1:26, how come ELOHIM also said in the VERY NEXT VERSE, "HE and "HIS", please explain. 101G will post both verses in question.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
NOW THE VERY NEXT VERSE,
Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
now, the Lord Jesus, God himself, said God is a "HE", a single person. Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," and this "he" who is God is made clear by our brother Mark who recorded the same conversation. Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." so, the He in Matthews 19:4 is "GOD", spoke of.
so the Male and the Female in the beginning made by God is a single Person. so David, are the scriptures lying? (God forbid), and also, is the Lord Jesus .... The Christ lying when he said, "God is a HE?"...... well. now you need to explain why God said US and OUR, and in the very next verse say HIS and HE which are single designations.
now, 101G know by the scriptures of God, why God said , "US" and "OUR" in Genesis 1:26, and in the very next verse God said, "HIS" and "HE". but we would like for you to explain it...... (Smile),YIKES! ..... Happy Holidays.....
101G.
Well, i know why, and the scriptures tell us why, but that takes years of study and prayer to discover that which is in front of us.
CLUE #1 = 'Shema'
DavidTree
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The Holy Scriptures overrule josephus and all commentators, except the Holy Spirit of Truth who always has the Final Say.
101G
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well did shema take years of Studying? so explain the Shema of "ONE" God who is ONE "PERSON" as you say, Clue #1 Genesis 1:1 ....... (smile), which eliminates any two or three person.....
U now have the floor. your Explanation please.
101G
DavidTree
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well did shema take years of Studying? so explain the Shema of "ONE" God who is ONE "PERSON" as you say, Clue #1 Genesis 1:1 ....... (smile), which eliminates any two or three person.....
U now have the floor. your Explanation please.
101G
שְׁמַ֖ע (šə·ma‘)
Verb - Qal - Imperative - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 8085: v 1) to hear, listen to, obey 1a) (Qal) 1a1) to hear (perceive by ear) 1a2) to hear of or concerning 1a3) to hear (have power to hear) 1a4) to hear with attention or interest, listen to 1a5) to understand (language) 1a6) to hear (of judicial cases) 1a7) to listen, give heed 1a7a) to consent, agree 1a7b) to grant request 1a8) to listen to, yield to 1a9) to obey, be obedient 1b) (Niphal) 1b1) to be heard (of voice or sound) 1b2) to be heard of 1b3) to be regarded, be obeyed 1c) (Piel) to cause to hear, call to hear, summon 1d) (Hiphil) 1d1) to cause to hear, tell, proclaim, utter a sound 1d2) to sound aloud (musical term) 1d3) to make proclamation, summon 1d4) to cause to be heard n m 2) sound
O Israel:
יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל (yiś·rā·’êl)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3478: Israel = 'God prevails' 1) the second name for Jacob given to him by God after his wrestling with the angel at Peniel 2) the name of the descendants and the nation of the descendants of Jacob 2a) the name of the nation until the death of Solomon and the split 2b) the name used and given to the northern kingdom consisting of the 10 tribes under Jeroboam; the southern kingdom was known as Judah 2c) the name of the nation after the return from exile
The LORD
יְהוָ֥ה (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136
our God,
אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ (’ĕ·lō·hê·nū)
Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
the LORD
יְהוָ֥ה ׀ (Yah·weh)
Noun - proper - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 3068: Jehovah = 'the existing One' 1) the proper name of the one true God 1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H0136
is One.
אֶחָֽד׃ (’e·ḥāḏ)
Number - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 259: 1) one (number) 1a) one (number) 1b) each, every 1c) a certain 1d) an (indefinite article) 1e) only, once, once for all 1f) one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one 1g) first 1h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal
101G
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DavidTree
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ECHAD Elohenu
our God,
אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ (’ĕ·lō·hê·nū)
Noun - masculine plural construct | first person common plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God
is One.
אֶחָֽד׃ (’e·ḥāḏ)
Number - masculine singular
Strong's Hebrew 259: 1) one (number) 1a) one (number) 1b) each, every 1c) a certain 1d) an (indefinite article) 1e) only, once, once for all 1f) one...another, the one...the other, one after another, one by one 1g) first 1h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal
Elohim is Echad = Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness.
Jesus was never called LORD all capitols-He is Lord. I know he is Lord, he is my king. The only vote i ever would cast. But Jehovah is my God and Jesus' God as well. God does not have a God.
Jesus pointed his followers to his Father=Jehovah. John 4:22-24--Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness. The Lords prayer-Hallowed be thy name( YHWH(Jehovah) Jesus showed there its the#1 thing a mortal can pray about=Gods name. Because its #1 to Jesus. Try believing him over the errors. All his real followers do.
John 5:30==all credit goes to Jehovah.GINOLJC, to all
CORRECT, the Lord Jesus do not receive glory from IGNORANT Men. he receives GLORY from KNOWLEDGEABLE men. supportive scripture, John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (Quit thinking .... KNOW). John 5:40 "And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life." (READ THAT AGAIN) John 5:41 "I receive not honour from men." (WHY?) John 5:42 "But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you." (BINGO). John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." John 5:44 "How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?" John 5:45 "Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust." (SAY THAT AGAIN). John 5:46 "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me." John 5:47 "But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"
NOW, that book, chapter, and verse, as to who gave your Jehovah POWER? ....... (Smile)....
101G.
DavidTree
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LORD Jesus told us that HE came from HIS FATHER = LORD Jesus NEVER said HIS FATHER is LORD/YHWH.
FATHER GOD says that HIS SON is LORD/YHWH
Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.
But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
For we do not preach ourselves(jws/watchtower), but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake.
For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
I just showed you what Jesus taught, you reject his teachings for the lies taught in false religion.
DavidTree
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Your posts are all about denying the LORD.
It amazes me that you reject CLEAR scripture where the FATHER calls Jesus LORD.
Since you pledge your allegiance to watchtower, you automatically place blinders on your heart and mind.
Just as the Jews read scripture about YHWH even when HE walked among them but they could not see!!!
Actually, they refused to see and so they remained blind!!!
The Eyes of your heart will only open when you do as the FATHER commanded you = Phillipians 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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101G
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so, last chance to answer the question, "is US and OUR in Genesis 1:2 Cardinal in the ECHAD, or Ordinal in the ECHAD.... (smile). your answer please.... only Ordinal, or Cardinal, which will answer the US and the OUR at Genesis 1:26
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101G
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ERROR, #1. there is NO Jehovah. that's a false man-made name. #2. Listen to John 5:30 carefully. "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
do you know why he do nothing of himself? and remember he's the "ARM" of God, God himself in Human Flesh. for the ARM of God was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh on earth. now to understand the Mechanic of the ARM of God in Flesh, read 2 Chronicles 32:1-8 and understand the FUNCTION of an ARM of Flesh. .... (smile) .... which also answer the "My Father is Greater than I" question. (smile)......
YIKES!101G.
Jesus is never called-LORD--he is called Lord. Yes bow in obeisance to Gods appointed king, my king. Your robbery to be equal to God is Catholicism error. Catholicism=2Thess 2:3--that is who you put your eternal life into, them and their translating.
YHVH translates-Jehovah. No man made name--Men try to take credit for Gods name but they are in error. God made his name known, Jesus keeps on making it known( John 17:26)--through his 1 real religion.ERROR, #1. there is NO Jehovah. that's a false man-made name. #2. Listen to John 5:30 carefully. "I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me."
do you know why he do nothing of himself? and remember he's the "ARM" of God, God himself in Human Flesh. for the ARM of God was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') while in that flesh on earth. now to understand the Mechanic of the ARM of God in Flesh, read 2 Chronicles 32:1-8 and understand the FUNCTION of an ARM of Flesh. .... (smile) .... which also answer the "My Father is Greater than I" question. (smile)......
101G.
DavidTree
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"last chance" = lolx100
Thanks = made me laugh
cardinal /kär′dn-əl, kärd′nəl/
adjective - Of foremost importance; paramount. "a cardinal rule; cardinal sins.
ordinal /ôr′dn-əl/
adjective - Being of a specified position in a numbered series. "an ordinal rank of seventh."
It is neither 'cardinal' nor 'ordinal'
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It is 'Paramount'
paramount /păr′ə-mount″/
adjective
- Of chief concern or importance.
- Highest in rank, power, or authority.
"the paramount leader of the nation.
