God's attribute of Justice demands PSA

TomL said:
Not well at all

Matthew 3:16–17 (KJV 1900) — 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


where we see three persons simultaneously

Below we have two persons God and the word

John 1:1–2 (KJV 1900) — 1 IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God.


below have Jesus crying out to the father

Matthew 27:46 (KJV 1900) — 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Was there a mode switch again

Was your Jesus just a man now?

John 17:5 (KJV 1900) — 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Father and son together in eternity oops simultaneously


The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand” (John 3:35).

For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and greaterworks than these will He show Him, so that you will marvel” (John 5:20).

Just as the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you; abide in My love” (John 15:9).“I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know thatYou sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whomYou have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You havegiven Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world” (John 17:23–24).

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of thecloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!” (Matthew17:5).

John 5:17 (ESV) — 17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”

John 8:49 (ESV) — 49 Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me.

Matthew 10:32 (ESV) — 32 So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven,

Luke 22:29 (ESV) — 29 and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom,

John 15:8 (ESV) — 8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.

John 10:29 (ESV) — 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Father, glorify Your name.” There came then a voice out of heaven: “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again” (John 12:28).

Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17:1–3)

“Father, into your hands I commit My spirit” (Luke 23:46)

“All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matthew 11:27).

l. In Romans 1:7 we read, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” The same greeting is found in 1 Corinthians 1:3; 2 Corinthians 1:2; Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2; and Philippians 1:2.

John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God..
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GINOLJC,to all.
when one has no knowledge of the ECHAD of God in diversity, this is what one gets, IGNORANCE of the Scripture, division, and free path to destruction. My God it is that bad. but your word has already fore told this. PSALMS 110:1 is in Effect. praise God.

101G.
 
TomL said:
because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
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Yeah, God passed over former sins because of Himself, that meaning .. this is who He is so He did it. Nothing is noted about needing a legal substitute holding him back like a berserker god of carnage. The roman legal system was a parable too.

PSA promotes a demon as God needing a sacrifice to hold back it's wrath ... However, this goes against what Jesus said about the Father. To be kind to those who are abusive to you so you can be like the Father .. not the calvinist demon god.
 
Frank Russell said:
Yeah, God passed over former sins because of Himself, that meaning .. this is who He is so He did it. Nothing is noted about needing a legal substitute holding him back like a berserker god of carnage. The roman legal system was a parable too.

PSA promotes a demon as God needing a sacrifice to hold back it's wrath ... However, this goes against what Jesus said about the Father. To be kind to those who are abusive to you so you can be like the Father .. not the calvinist demon god.
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Kind of hard
 
TomL said:
YHWH

Why do you ask?
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YHWH is a title, not the Personal Name of God. and why do 101G ask, listen, Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

delivered here is SALVATION. 101G hop you didn't call on YHWH to save U. if you didn't Call on the Name of the LORD, then you're still in your sins. ....... oops .... :devilish:

101G.
 
101G said:
YHWH is a title, not the Personal Name of God. and why do 101G ask, listen, Joel 2:32 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call."

delivered here is SALVATION. 101G hop you didn't call on YHWH to save U. if you didn't Call on the Name of the LORD, then you're still in your sins. ....... oops .... :devilish:

101G.
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Isaiah 42:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: And my glory will I not give to another, Neither my praise to graven images.


LORD YHWH

Isaiah 42:8 (NJB) — 8 I am Yahweh, that is my name! I shall not yield my glory to another, nor my honour to idols.
 
TomL said:
Isaiah 42:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 I am the LORD: that is my name: And my glory will I not give to another, Neither my praise to graven images.
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is that is his name in title or Person? let 101G educate U? i.e. Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

I AM is not his name as in "WHO" he is.... but it is his Name as in "WHAT" he is..... see the difference? if not. let's make it plain. if 101G as you "WHAT" is the First woman name? if your response would be "EVE" then you just made and ERROR. the correct answer would be "Adam". for this is "WHAT" she is.

now, if 101G would have asked, "Who" is the First woman name? the correct answer would be EVE, for EVE is WHO she is in Name, and what.... WHAT she is in Name is Adam. let's see it. Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." WHY "ADAM?", because that's what .... "WHAT" ... what she is.... and Adam, or Mankind.

see, the difference in a name as to WHAT" vs "WHO".

now lets God back to Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." I AM is the Hebrew word,
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. ............. HELLO, it's a VERB, and Verbs do not signify "PERSONAL NAMES". NOUNS DO.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.

so, your MISTAKE is verbs are not nouns. verbs describe WHAT the actions is. listen to the definition. VERB "a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen". hello, Nouns are Personal Names.

so when Moses asked God...."WHAT" is your name. God gave Moses just what he asked for, WHAT is your Name. in Name he is Saviour, King, Almighty, Redeemer, the First, the Last, the Beginning, the End...... ect.....

so learn what is a Name, Noun or Verb.

101G.
 
101G said:
is that is his name in title or Person? let 101G educate U? i.e. Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

I AM is not his name as in "WHO" he is.... but it is his Name as in "WHAT" he is..... see the difference? if not. let's make it plain. if 101G as you "WHAT" is the First woman name? if your response would be "EVE" then you just made and ERROR. the correct answer would be "Adam". for this is "WHAT" she is.

now, if 101G would have asked, "Who" is the First woman name? the correct answer would be EVE, for EVE is WHO she is in Name, and what.... WHAT she is in Name is Adam. let's see it. Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created." WHY "ADAM?", because that's what .... "WHAT" ... what she is.... and Adam, or Mankind.

see, the difference in a name as to WHAT" vs "WHO".

now lets God back to Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you." I AM is the Hebrew word,
H1961 הָיָה hayah (haw-yaw) v. ............. HELLO, it's a VERB, and Verbs do not signify "PERSONAL NAMES". NOUNS DO.
1. to exist.
2. to be or become.
3. to come into being, i.e. to happen, to occur (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary).
[a primitive root]
KJV: beacon, X altogether, be(-come), accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-)self, require, X use.

so, your MISTAKE is verbs are not nouns. verbs describe WHAT the actions is. listen to the definition. VERB "a word used to describe an action, state, or occurrence, and forming the main part of the predicate of a sentence, such as hear, become, happen". hello, Nouns are Personal Names.

so when Moses asked God...."WHAT" is your name. God gave Moses just what he asked for, WHAT is your Name. in Name he is Saviour, King, Almighty, Redeemer, the First, the Last, the Beginning, the End...... ect.....

so learn what is a Name, Noun or Verb.

101G.
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you have a count of 5

YHWH count 6828
 
to all,
the false man made up name like Yahweh, Hebrew, or Jehovah, English that is derived from YHWH is just that... Made up.
we know that, "I AM", is an emphatic verb, which is a name that describe what God is, so where did the Names Jehovah, and, Yahweh come from?. is not Jehovah in the bible?. So where did the names come from. these name came from, what is know as the tetragrammaton, and men tampered with it by adding vowels to these four letters. the tetragrammaton is a term from the Greek word, τετραγράμματον, meaning, "a word having four letters". It is the Hebrew written word, or four letters, (יהוה), Yodh, He, Waw, He, hence the translation into English, YHWH, or JHVH by some. these four letters, supposed to be the unpronounced name of God. and from these four letters come the man made names Yahweh, Hebrew, and Jehovah, English

a name is an Identifier, as to what and, or who you are. we need to clarify the "Truth". Now the question is, what is God proper/PERSONAL name. is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew. well it's neither, Jehovah, nor Yahweh. lets see how they derived those names from the tetragrammaton. The word "JEHOVAH" was formed by merging the three vowels (e, o, and a) into the Romanized (Latinized) four letter version JHVH to get, JeHoVaH. and the word "YAHWEH" was formed by merging the vowels (a, and e), into the four letter version to get, YaHWeH. so we have the English man made, and the Hebrew man made form of God's supposed unpronounced name. here is the mistake. they, (the translator), added vowels to the four letter consonant, to make up a name to pronounce. one can never add or take away from the WORD of God. they added vowels to give God a personal name, because they knew that YHWH is a verb, and not a noun. and because the suppose name was lost, which the Jews said was forbidden to pronounce, they made a guess at the name where pointers should be. this was a grave mistake on their part. when you add to the word of God you just put the noose around your neck. arbitrarily, the translators injected the vowels into the four letter consonant to come up with the names, "YaHWeH", and, "JeHoVaH".

but some may still say, well Jehovah is in the bible? ok let's expose this ERROR.
in Exodus 6:3 God said this, "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name, "YHWH", or hayah, and as some translators write, JEHOVAH, (English), was I not known to them". Now if the name Jehovah, (truly “I AM”, was not known to Abraham, why was Abraham using the name Jehovah?) lets see Genesis 22:14 "And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-Jireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen". now we have a problem, because Genesis come before Exodus. if God said Abraham didn't know him by that name, why was Abraham using that name? this is the problem, either God is lying, (God forbid), or Abraham, or the name is corrupt/false?, meaning man made. by process of elimination, I know God don't lie, and Abraham is the friend of God, so that leaves the name and its translation. now we need to look at that Tetragrammaton, and the Jews who translated it for us, the Masoretic. The Masoretic was European Jews who translated the Hebrew texts, into what we have today, the bible. by adding vowels to the Tetragrammaton and arriving at a made up name, they guessed at what the unpronounced name of God should be. and when you add or take away from God word you will be heading for the ditch. never add to or take away from the word of God.

this is what 101G like about the KJV of the bible, it exposes and correct false corruptions. Isaiah 52:5 "Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed." Isaiah 52:6 "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I." his PEOPLE ....... SHALL..... future tense KNOW HIS "NAME". so then at the time of Isaiah writting the Name of God as to "WHO" he is in name was not known. so all those false name are just that... FALSE. but Isaiah said, "Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I" let's see that DAY, John 8:24 "I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins." I AM he? who, who, who, was speaking? the Lord ..... drum roll "JESUS" this is the "I AM HE" in Isaiah 52:6

101G.
 
TomL said:
you have a count of 5

YHWH count 6828
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5 triumph over 6828. for if one is wrong, all is wrong. as with the Law break one you have broken all. ..... (smile), YIKES! GET THOSE FALSE NAMEs OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS.

101G.
 
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TomL said:
GOD The supreme being and Creator of the universe. Known by the personal name Yahweh. The New Testament sees God as Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit.
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First ERROR of the Day. you clearly said, "GOD The supreme being and Creator of the universe." ok, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

God was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" when he made all things. now this, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so this one person must be the LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" else you have two separate and distinct CREATORS. meaning you are into polytheism by default. so..... is this the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3, yes or No?

really looking to hear your answer..... thanks in advance.,

101G.
 
101G said:
First ERROR of the Day. you clearly said, "GOD The supreme being and Creator of the universe." ok, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

God was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" when he made all things. now this, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so this one person must be the LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" else you have two separate and distinct CREATORS. meaning you are into polytheism by default. so..... is this the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3, yes or No?

really looking to hear your answer..... thanks in advance.,

101G.
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101G said:
First ERROR of the Day. you clearly said, "GOD The supreme being and Creator of the universe." ok, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

God was "ALONE" and "BY HIMSELF" when he made all things. now this, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." so this one person must be the LORD who "MADE ALL THINGS" else you have two separate and distinct CREATORS. meaning you are into polytheism by default. so..... is this the same one person in Isaiah 44:24 and John 1:3, yes or No?

really looking to hear your answer..... thanks in advance.,

101G.
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God created all things through the son who alone physically created heaven and earth


Hebrews 1:1–10 (KJV 1900) — 1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

What are you going to do with the Father and the son both who existed before creation?
 
TomL said:
God created all things through the son who alone physically created heaven and earth
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Another ERROR, can you READ? he, he, he, one PERSON, the LORD was Alone. do you know and understand what "ALONE" means? answer "having no one else present". if no one else is present then how can he go through anyone.....hello, anyone home? Isaiah 44:24 destroys any two and especially 3 person Godhead.
TomL said:
What are you going to do with the Father and the son both who existed before creation?
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another ERROR, back-to-back, Listen and Learn. Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:" the "Lord" here laid the Foundation of the EARTH, Correct. well let's check the Record. Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

OK TomL, TRUTH TIME. who laid the Foundation of earth....... in the beginning, the "Lord", or the "LORD"... (smile), which one.... think long and Hard for this ONE... Lol, Lol, LOl, Oh dear. ...... your answer please.

101G.

PS to all and any trinitarian out there, 101G ask the same question.
 

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