Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[Presby02]

I know that because God gave me my spirit and He does not create dead spirits.

Anyone can claim God gave them a Spirit.

 

[Jim]

Anyone can claim God gave them a Spirit.

Anyone can claim anything. Anyone can claim they even have a spirit. Anyone can claim you don't have a spirit. So what is your point?

 

[Presby02]

Anyone can claim anything. Anyone can claim they even have a spirit. Anyone can claim you don't have a spirit. So what is your point?

Exactly. So that's not a answer to a question.

 

[Jim]

Exactly. So that's not a answer to a question.

Then I guess the answer to your question is read the Bible.

 

[Presby02]

Then I guess the answer to your question is read the Bible.

I have read the Bible, many times. People reach different conclusions having read it. My question was directed to you and your understanding.

 

[Jim]

I have read the Bible, many times. People reach different conclusions having read it. My question was directed to you and your understanding.

I gave you my understanding.

 

[Presby02]

I gave you my understanding.

You sure did. My questions were for clarification purposes. Is your position we are born neither saint nor sinner?

 

[Jim]

You sure did. My questions were for clarification purposes. Is your position we are born neither saint nor sinner?

Define saint and sinner.

 

[Johann]

Define saint and sinner.

Still on bible trivia @Jim?

"Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God."

This verse urges believers to move beyond basic doctrines and advance toward spiritual maturity. The Greek word translated as "elementary" is ἀρχή (archē), meaning "beginning" or "first principles." The phrase "press on to maturity" uses φερώμεθα (pherōmetha), which implies being carried forward or progressing.

Define sanctification for me, I want to hear your understanding of sanctification, that should answer your question on who is a saint and who is a sinner.

Thanks.

J.

 

[Presby02]

Define saint and sinner.

A genuine Christain.

One born in the flesh. "Whatever is not of faith is sin."

 

[Jim]

Still on bible trivia @Jim?

"Therefore, leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God."

This verse urges believers to move beyond basic doctrines and advance toward spiritual maturity. The Greek word translated as "elementary" is ἀρχή (archē), meaning "beginning" or "first principles." The phrase "press on to maturity" uses φερώμεθα (pherōmetha), which implies being carried forward or progressing.

Define sanctification for me, I want to hear your understanding of sanctification, that should answer your question on who is a saint and who is a sinner.

Thanks.

J.

I know the biblical meanings of saint and sinner. @Presby02 asked me about being born neither saint nor sinner. My answer to that must depend upon what @Presby02 thinks what those two terms mean. My definition of sanctification doesn't enter the discussion at this time.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Your body was dead when you were born? I don' think so.

lol. whatever.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

A genuine Christain.

One born in the flesh. "Whatever is not of faith is sin."

in flesh? or spirit?

 

[Presby02]

in flesh? or spirit?

Those are your two options. At birth you are born in the flesh.

 

[Jim]

Those are your two options. At birth you are born in the flesh.

At birth man is born of the flesh and born of the Spirit, i.e., God gives the spirit of man at or before birth. When the man sins, he becomes dead in his sins and needs to be reborn of water and spirit. When he believes, confesses, repents and is baptized his sins are forgiven and he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. At that time his sins are forgiven and he is born again of the Spirit, that is, he is born of water and Spirit. He is justified and regenerated.

 

[Presby02]

At birth man is born of the flesh and born of the Spirit, i.e., God gives the spirit of man at or before birth. When the man sins, he becomes dead in his sins and needs to be reborn of water and spirit. When he believes, confesses, repents and is baptized his sins are forgiven and he receives the gift of the Holy Spirit. At that time his sins are forgiven and he is born again of the Spirit, that is, he is born of water and Spirit. He is justified and regenerated.

You are not born in the Spirit until you are born again. You are born with a spirit, not of the Spirit.

 

[Jim]

You are not born in the Spirit until you are born again. You are born with a spirit, not of the Spirit.

Where do you think your spirit comes from?

 

[Presby02]

Where do you think your spirit comes from?

God. Obviously.

 

[Jim]

God. Obviously.

When?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Those are your two options. At birth you are born in the flesh.

Yes so being in flesh did not save you