Freed from : Calvinism-TULIP-5 points Hyper-Calvinism

[Eternally-Grateful]

Really? So you bear no responsibility for Christ's death? Interesting

wow. talk about twisting ones words.

I take responsiobility for my sin, do you?

Then your in trouble. We all are. We don't not get what we rightly deserve.

No one will

But again, God will not force it on you

We deny because we are not fatalists

yes you Are, You state God chose who will be saved, and they have no say in the matter, and God choses who will be damned, and they have no say..

that is fatalism 101

. Do you believe God is omniscient? If so you are also a fatalist.

God determining based on ones free will is not fatalism my friend..

Define fatalism.

I just did

 

[Presby02]

wow. talk about twisting ones words.

I take responsiobility for my sin, do you?

No one will

But again, God will not force it on you

yes you Are, You state God chose who will be saved, and they have no say in the matter, and God choses who will be damned, and they have no say..

that is fatalism 101

God determining based on ones free will is not fatalism my friend..

I just did

Yup, that has nothing to do with what you said.

No one says God uses force.

God has every right to choose who He will save and who He will not save. We are blessed that He saves anyone at all.

I asked for you to define fatalism for me. Your dodging

Where does the Bible say God determines based on your free will? That is a clear violation of God's aseity.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you know what he means? LOL

Yes!!

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree. The problem is they do not say what you claim you say.

My point stands. Not every last person has been invited. It's hard to be invited if you never recieve a invitation.

Also, as has been rightly pointed out, Romans one, CONTEXTUALLY, has nothing to do with the gospel.

Difficult to converse with someone who believes Abraham HEARD THE GOSPEL....
the Good News.

YOU brought up that billions are going to hell because they never heard the gospel.
I countered by stating that, even though the gospel was not always present....
GOD WAS.

And I proceded to post Romans 1:18-20 to show that God has ALWAYS revealed Himself to mankind
and that man has ALWAYS been able to either accept or reject God.

THIS is WHY no one will stand before God with any good excuse.
There IS NO EXCUSE because man has always known about God.

Here's what is necessary for salvation:

1. Accept God - in whatever way He reveals Himself to you.
2. Obey God.

That's it.
Simple.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yup, that has nothing to do with what you said.

actually it had everything to do with what I said.

as usual. You have a failure to understand what people say because your trying to look through a doctrinal lense

No one says God uses force.

You do..

even though you do not say it word for word.

Deny it all you want.. It will nto make it a fact

God has every right to choose who He will save and who He will not save. We are blessed that He saves anyone at all.

Yeah he does. and he chose to do his will

he died for the world (everyone)
He chose that those who see and believe will be saved.. and never lost.

I agree with soverignty and I agree with Gods will

I just do not think your teaching lines up with Gods will

I asked for you to define fatalism for me. Your dodging

I did In basic terms

yes you Are, You state God chose who will be saved, and they have no say in the matter, and God choses who will be damned, and they have no say..

that is fatalism 101

so now once again, you are seen as a false accuser of one of Gods children

Where does the Bible say God determines based on your free will? That is a clear violation of God's aseity.

whoever believes

chose this day who you will follow

yuo do not see because you do not believe

its all over the place

show me the word trinity..

 

[atpollard]

Difficult to converse with someone who believes Abraham HEARD THE GOSPEL....
the Good News.

Galatians 3:8 [ESV] And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."

Did Abraham hear the gospel?

 

[Presby02]

Yes!!

Difficult to converse with someone who believes Abraham HEARD THE GOSPEL....
the Good News.

YOU brought up that billions are going to hell because they never heard the gospel.
I countered by stating that, even though the gospel was not always present....
GOD WAS.

And I proceded to post Romans 1:18-20 to show that God has ALWAYS revealed Himself to mankind
and that man has ALWAYS been able to either accept or reject God.

THIS is WHY no one will stand before God with any good excuse.
There IS NO EXCUSE because man has always known about God.

Here's what is necessary for salvation:

1. Accept God - in whatever way He reveals Himself to you.
2. Obey God.

That's it.
Simple.

That's exactly what Galatians 3:8 says. LOL

That's not what the text says at all. The same author goes on in chapter 3 to explain "no one seeks after God". Hmm....

 

[Presby02]

actually it had everything to do with what I said.

as usual. You have a failure to understand what people say because your trying to look through a doctrinal lense

You do..

even though you do not say it word for word.

Deny it all you want.. It will nto make it a fact

Yeah he does. and he chose to do his will

he died for the world (everyone)
He chose that those who see and believe will be saved.. and never lost.

I agree with soverignty and I agree with Gods will

I just do not think your teaching lines up with Gods will

I did In basic terms


so now once again, you are seen as a false accuser of one of Gods children



whoever believes

chose this day who you will follow

yuo do not see because you do not believe

its all over the place

show me the word trinity..

Quote me or any Calvinist saying God uses force. Or cut the dishonesty.

World means every last single person?

Still waiting on your definition of fatalism. If I am a fatalist then so are you sir.

Show you the word Trinity? here it is.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Quote me or any Calvinist saying God uses force. Or cut the dishonesty.

one more time (although you have not heard yet. I do not see you hearing now)

when you say a person HAS NO CHOICE to believe, UNLESS GOD makes them alive. You claim they are forced to not believe (they have no choice

In the same token, when you claim EVERYONE who God makes alive WILL believe, but not by their CHOICE. You are in effect saying they are forced to believe.

Again, the word trinity is not in scripture. But it is a fact. Just because you do not use the word force. does not mean you do not teach that one is forced.

World means every last single person?

Yes. Actually world (cosmos) speaks of satans domain in most cases. so it would include all who are lost.

Still waiting on your definition of fatalism. If I am a fatalist then so are you sir.

Your being dishonest, I gave it to you twice.

so sorry bro. I can only assume your a troll or something. when people tell you the same thing over and over, and you deny it. your not being truthful

Show you the word Trinity? here it is.

show it in scripture. the word.. See. Your being a troll here

You want to act like a troll. I will treat you as one

 

[GodsGrace]

Galatians 3:8 [ESV] And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed."

Did Abraham hear the gospel?

No sir...
Abraham did not HEAR the gospel....

Because the gospel was not yet written.

Abraham was advised that THROUGH HIM all nations would be blessed.
Blessed with what?
The knowledge of FAITH as salvation.

Faith always saved....even in the OT.
The IDEA was given to Abraham.

The GOSPEL was written after Jesus ascended to heaven.

THE GOOD NEWS is found in the NT and not in the OT.
At the time of Abraham....in the OT...works were still the norm.
The Mosaic Covenant comes to mind.
Abraham was saved by FAITH....a look to the future.


We must learn to know how to exegete the bible...
how to understand it.
The types of language that are used.
The OT uses types of language that do not state exactly what is written.

This is the same problem you bring up when posting your favorite verse
NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER....
And it stops there.
No sir.
You must continue reading and reconcile that verse with all other verses in the NT.

If you care to know more about Galatians 3:8, I would suggest that you read some commentaries....
I dislike them, but they do come in handy at times.
Try biblehub.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's exactly what Galatians 3:8 says. LOL

That's not what the text says at all. The same author goes on in chapter 3 to explain "no one seeks after God". Hmm....

Please read my post no. 510 addressed to atpollard.

As to seeking after God....and there being none righteous...no, not one...

I refer you to:
Noah
Abraham
David

Looks like there were some righteous all along....
Calvinist doctrine fails every time.

 

[GodsGrace]

one more time (although you have not heard yet. I do not see you hearing now)

when you say a person HAS NO CHOICE to believe, UNLESS GOD makes them alive. You claim they are forced to not believe (they have no choice

In the same token, when you claim EVERYONE who God makes alive WILL believe, but not by their CHOICE. You are in effect saying they are forced to believe.

Again, the word trinity is not in scripture. But it is a fact. Just because you do not use the word force. does not mean you do not teach that one is forced.

Yes. Actually world (cosmos) speaks of satans domain in most cases. so it would include all who are lost.

Your being dishonest, I gave it to you twice.

so sorry bro. I can only assume your a troll or something. when people tell you the same thing over and over, and you deny it. your not being truthful

show it in scripture. the word.. See. Your being a troll here

You want to act like a troll. I will treat you as one

Oh if only calvinists understood calvinism!

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Oh if only calvinists understood calvinism!

just another reason I hate ISMS

 

[GodsGrace]

just another reason I hate ISMS

But there are so many too hate!!
What about PROTESTANTISM!!

 

[Presby02]

one more time (although you have not heard yet. I do not see you hearing now)

when you say a person HAS NO CHOICE to believe, UNLESS GOD makes them alive. You claim they are forced to not believe (they have no choice

In the same token, when you claim EVERYONE who God makes alive WILL believe, but not by their CHOICE. You are in effect saying they are forced to believe.

Again, the word trinity is not in scripture. But it is a fact. Just because you do not use the word force. does not mean you do not teach that one is forced.

Yes. Actually world (cosmos) speaks of satans domain in most cases. so it would include all who are lost.

Your being dishonest, I gave it to you twice.

so sorry bro. I can only assume your a troll or something. when people tell you the same thing over and over, and you deny it. your not being truthful

show it in scripture. the word.. See. Your being a troll here

You want to act like a troll. I will treat you as one

Never said they had no choice. Again, quote me saying that. Love to hear it.

Neither I or any other Calvinist has ever used the word force. Your simply being dishonest.

Sorry. You refuse to define your terms. Fatalism or world. It is not unreasonable to ask one to define their terms. Either your the troll or your simply ignorant of which you speak. Telling me world means Satan's domain is not a working definition. LOL

 

[Presby02]

Please read my post no. 510 addressed to atpollard.

As to seeking after God....and there being none righteous...no, not one...

I refer you to:
Noah
Abraham
David

Looks like there were some righteous all along....
Calvinist doctrine fails every time.

So no one seeks God actually means some do seek after God? That makes sense. Wow

Your education failed you.

 

[Selah]

Hey hey, let’s consider. Some folks, the elect, have no choice. They were called; Paul, is the best example of this.

….But not everyone is elect; some are given free will to choose Jesus upon hearing the Gospel.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Never said they had no choice. Again, quote me saying that. Love to hear it.

Neither I or any other Calvinist has ever used the word force. Your simply being dishonest.

So you do not. As all calvinists believe we can not come to faith until God makes us alive first

And if he does not make us alive. We will never come to faith

Is that what you are saying. You do not believe this?

Sorry. You refuse to define your terms. Fatalism or world. It is not unreasonable to ask one to define their terms. Either your the troll or your simply ignorant of which you speak. Telling me world means Satan's domain is not a working definition. LOL

I defined it my friend. And you say I am being dishonest

Fatalism in short means all of our fates are predetermined.

That’s Calvinism 101

Now you want to continue to be dishonest and bear false witness?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So no one seeks God actually means some do seek after God? That makes sense. Wow

Your education failed you.

More dishonesty. She never said this eather

Take your Calvinist glasses off. You may be able to see what people really say

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Hey hey, let’s consider. Some folks, the elect, have no choice. They were called; Paul, is the best example of this.

….But not everyone is elect; some are given free will to choose Jesus upon hearing the Gospel.

Paul had a choice.

He could have stayed defiant and in his blind state

We all have a choice