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Presby02 said:
Not one of your proof texts say command implies ability or desire. POOR EFFORT
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I know it's difficult to accept what the bible says.

Your THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS fails too.
Many righteous in the bible.

Come join the rest of Christiandom and learn to love God and your neighbors.
Which you do not right now because you're serving a god that does not teach love.

JESUS taught:

Matthew 22:36-39
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
37 And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
38 "This is the great and foremost commandment.
39 "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
 
Presby02 said:
Yes, like be ye holy for I am holy. LOL
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Or like:

James 4:8​

Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.


If we draw near to God...
He will draw near to us.

AND

It also states that we are to purify our hearts, cleanse our hands.
WE ARE TO DO THIS....
not wait around for God to do this.

God gives us the freedom to do as we will....
God does not want robots loving Him...
but persons that really love Him.
 
GodsGrace said:
Or like:

James 4:8​

Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.


If we draw near to God...
He will draw near to us.

AND

It also states that we are to purify our hearts, cleanse our hands.
WE ARE TO DO THIS....
not wait around for God to do this.

God gives us the freedom to do as we will....
God does not want robots loving Him...
but persons that really love Him.
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So He does command things you cannot do. Such as to obey the law perfectly. Or to be holy for He is holy.
 
Presby02 said:
Again? Irrelevant to my question. Why do you assume command implies ability? Saying it does not make it so.
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Yes Presby.
A command implies the ability to obey.

Do you work?
Does your superior tell you to do a chore that is impossible?

Do you have chidlren?
Do you tell your 1 year old to climb the stairs?

Do you have a mother?
Do you ask her to fix you a 3 star michelin dinner?
 
Presby02 said:
So He does command things you cannot do. Such as to obey the law perfectly. Or to be holy for He is holy.
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Where does God command me to obey the law perfectly?

First of all, we are not under the law.

Second,,,God has given us a method for forgiving our sins.


1 John 1:9
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 
Presby02 said:
So He does command things you cannot do. Such as to obey the law perfectly. Or to be holy for He is holy.
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Of course this is foolishness. If a man considers the Truth of his very existence, he will understand that he has been given power by God to "Do" things. This is undeniable Biblical Truth. But there are limitations. For instance, I cannot go back in time, and "DO" anything. In like manner, I cannot go into the future and "DO" anything either. The only "time" that God gives me the power to "Do" something/anything is "Right Now". And to say that a man cannot be obey God, or by Holy for HE is Holy in the Time HE gives me power to "Do" something is a falsehood. This is why it is written, "Today (Right Now) if you hear His Word, harden not your hearts". This is why Jesus said;

Matt. 6: 33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. 34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day (Right Now) is the evil thereof.

God is a merciful God. He graciously gives us Many "Now's", Many "todays". And if we follow Paul's teaching, and;

Rom. 6: 12 "Let not sin therefore "reign in your mortal body", that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." (In the Now's God gives us.)

13 Neither "yield ye your members" as instruments of unrighteousness "unto sin": "but yield yourselves" unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members (Mind, hands, feet) as instruments of righteousness "unto God". (Right Now)

In this way we can Labor, that we may be accepted by God, as Paul teaches.

Phip. 3: 9 And be found in him, not having mine "own righteousness", which is of the law,(of the Pharisee) but that which is through the faith "of Christ", the righteousness "which is of God" by faith (Belief)

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, (Bringing our flesh into subjection, as Jesus did) being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, "I count not myself" to have apprehended: but this one thing "I do", forgetting those things which are behind, (Past Now's) and reaching forth unto those things which are before, (The Next Now)

14 "I press toward the mark" for the prize of the high calling of God (Holy Perfection which is ) "in" Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, (As the Jesus "of the bible" instructs) be thus minded: and if "in any thing" ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Paul understands the Gospel of Christ;

Ecc. 12: 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

1 Cor. 7: 19 Circumcision (Jew) is nothing, and uncircumcision (Gentile) is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Don't listen to the other voices in the garden which proclaim that God gives us the "Time" to harden not our hearts, but not the power.
 
GodsGrace said:
Just closing down and this came to mind re your question above, so I'll add:


John taught:

1 John 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
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Mat 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest (relief and ease and refreshment and recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls. [Jer_6:16]
Mat 11:30 For My yoke is wholesome (useful, good--not harsh, hard, sharp, or pressing, but comfortable, gracious, and pleasant), and My burden is light and easy to be borne.

The very words of our Lord Christ Jesus.

Johann.
 
GodsGrace said:
Just closing down and this came to mind re your question above, so I'll add:


John taught:

1 John 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
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Excellent post. One of the most insidious falsehoods ever promoted by the worlds religious system is the lie that God placed 613 laws on the necks of men who trusted Him in the Exodus.

But there is Zero evidence in the Holy Scriptures that God ever placed on the necks of even ONE person, 613 laws. Not One.

It is good to know that others have discerned this popular falsehood as well.

Clearly Jesus wasn't deceived by it, and neither are you.

Great verse to remind us of the truth about "The way of the Lord".
 
Studyman said:
Excellent post. One of the most insidious falsehoods ever promoted by the worlds religious system is the lie that God placed 613 laws on the necks of men who trusted Him in the Exodus.

But there is Zero evidence in the Holy Scriptures that God ever placed on the necks of even ONE person, 613 laws. Not One.

It is good to know that others have discerned this popular falsehood as well.

Clearly Jesus wasn't deceived by it, and neither are you.

Great verse to remind us of the truth about "The way of the Lord".
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I wonder if anyone has ever heard about The Law of Moses.
Moses, not God.
Jesus even corrected a few of them.
 
GodsGrace said:
I wonder if anyone has ever heard about The Law of Moses.
Moses, not God.
Jesus even corrected a few of them.
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Not aware that Moses created any laws. I know the Corrupt Priests "of old time" were Partial in the Law, as spoken by Malachi in Chapter 2. Jesus pointed out that they taught part of Gods Laws, but omitted the "weightier matters" of the Law. Jesus speaks to a few of these in Matthew 5, concerning the preachers "of old time" that led Gods people astray.
 
Presby02 said:
No you did not which leads me to believe your ignorant of which you speak.

Is Christ a victim of fatalism given Acts 4:27,28??

I would love to continue with someone who has a clue about their talking about. You anti-Calvinist zealots are entertaining if nothing else.
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Thanks. You just proved I was right and you are a fatalist

Now appologize for your lies
 
GodsGrace said:
Yes Presby.
A command implies the ability to obey.

Do you work?
Does your superior tell you to do a chore that is impossible?

Do you have chidlren?
Do you tell your 1 year old to climb the stairs?

Do you have a mother?
Do you ask her to fix you a 3 star michelin dinner?
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It does? So you can keep Gods law perfectly?

Are you holy as God is holy?
 

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