Dizerner
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If you prayerfully read through this, with a humble heart, the Holy Spirit may see fit to deliver you from this deception.
FOUR reasons I believe in the sinful nature. (original sin/ancestral sin/total depravity)
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If you prayerfully read through this, with a humble heart, the Holy Spirit may see fit to deliver you from this deception.
Behold
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Everyone is born with a sin nature, because this is passed down from Adam to us all.
"by one man's sin".. you ended up as a sinner, same as us all.
Total Depravity, this doctrine, becomes a demonic heresy, once it proclaims that you have no Free Will and that you have no capacity to offer God your own = Faith in Christ.
Now where this can be confused.......is.........
The Holy Spirit, takes the Gospel that is heard, and opens the heart of a unbeliever, the HEARER..... to SEE that this Gospel is TRUE.
So, that is the moment they have : "come to the knowledge of the Truth".. and from that moment they decide to Believe or to not.
TotL Deprav.......according to the Tulip Heads, that teach it...say that the sinner can't come to this understanding.... So God has to cause them to believe..
The worst of the TULIPS will tell you that you have no free will, and God has to give you the new birth.. .so that after you are born again, you can THEN have faith in Christ.
And that, is not true. As that crazy demonic theology, is teaching that you are born again in sin......to then have faith in Christ, later.
That'll never happen, as that would be God joining an unforgiven sinner to Himself, before they have Given God their Faith.
"by one man's sin".. you ended up as a sinner, same as us all.
Total Depravity, this doctrine, becomes a demonic heresy, once it proclaims that you have no Free Will and that you have no capacity to offer God your own = Faith in Christ.
Now where this can be confused.......is.........
The Holy Spirit, takes the Gospel that is heard, and opens the heart of a unbeliever, the HEARER..... to SEE that this Gospel is TRUE.
So, that is the moment they have : "come to the knowledge of the Truth".. and from that moment they decide to Believe or to not.
TotL Deprav.......according to the Tulip Heads, that teach it...say that the sinner can't come to this understanding.... So God has to cause them to believe..
The worst of the TULIPS will tell you that you have no free will, and God has to give you the new birth.. .so that after you are born again, you can THEN have faith in Christ.
And that, is not true. As that crazy demonic theology, is teaching that you are born again in sin......to then have faith in Christ, later.
That'll never happen, as that would be God joining an unforgiven sinner to Himself, before they have Given God their Faith.
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Dizerner
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Would you say anyone needs help from God to be able to believe he became a man and died for their sins?
Bob Carabbio
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One of us anyway. BUT HEY!!! it's only "Theology" so no big deal.
Dizerner
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I would encourage you to consider that denial that you are a fundamentally bad person is a claim to self-righteousness.
This is something Jesus said was "a big deal."
But any man can close his heart.
Behold
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The Holy Spirit, takes the Gospel that is heard, and opens the heart of a unbeliever, the HEARER..... to SEE that this Gospel is TRUE.
So, that is the moment they have : "come to the knowledge of the Truth".. and from that moment they decide to Believe or to not.
TotL Deprav.......according to the Tulip Heads, that teach it...say that the sinner can't come to this understanding.... So God has to cause them to believe..
The worst of the TULIPS will tell you that you have no free will, and God has to give you the new birth.. .so that after you are born again, you can THEN have faith in Christ.
And that, is not true. As that crazy demonic theology, is teaching that you are born again in sin......to then have faith in Christ, later.
That'll never happen, as that would be God joining an unforgiven sinner to Himself, as born again..... before they have Given God their Faith.
Dizerner
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I would encourage you to consider that the grace of Christ is indeed extended to sinners even before they believe.
And apart from him we can do nothing.
Behold
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Listen,
, God's Grace is Literally extended as John 3:16 says........."to the World".
The TULIP-Sellers deny this and twist verses and then reply.....>>"no, its not to the world, its only to the pre-destined".
And the reason they say this, is because once you become a convert : a disciple of John Calvinism.. then you will be found trying to SELL the "5 points".....on Fourms and from Pulpits, and from Commentaries.
Here is the Reality.
GOD : makes CHRISTians
John Cavlin : deceives them and turns them into Calvinists whose only Ministry, whose only mission in life is to try to SELL Calvinism, to try to deceive real Christians or anyone else.
Its always fascinating to find some Christ rejecting unbeliever, who is "head owned" by this pre-destined nonsense.
"oh well... you see...... God gave me this Cancer, because it was meant to be"
or..
"yeah, i lost my little boy to a rapist serial killer, because , well, you know.. God causes evil, so, that happened to my little boy"....
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Dizerner
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Amen, and along with you I wholeheartedly reject Calvinism.
However it's a mistake to say that because some of their beliefs are wrong, therefore all of their beliefs are wrong.
And there are more non-Calvinists who believe in our need for the preceding grace of God than there are Calvinists.
Behold
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Satan has 3 major Theologies.. up and running for over 1500 yrs.
Calvinism
Catholicism
Islam
These 3 own the minds of most of the Human Race.
So, How did the devil do it?
A.) Satan mixed in SOME TRUTH< with SOME LIES....and that causes it to "sound true" to the person its going to deceive.
praise_yeshua
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Adam sinned. Does that mean he had a sin nature before he sinned?
Adam was innocent just like everyone else that is born.
praise_yeshua
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Life itself is a display of Grace. There would be no desire for Eternal life at all if it were not for life itself.
The very appeal of Eternal life is the call of the Gospel.
praise_yeshua
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BTW. Good to see you back brother.
Dizerner
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I would agree, but physical existence is not life.
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 Jn. 5:12 NKJ)
praise_yeshua
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It is a semblance of life. A "taste" of things Eternal. Ever how fleeting and tainted by the sinfulness around us, it is still life.
What is your life but a vapor....... has meaningfulness in an appointed end.
Dizerner
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Behold
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Before Adam rebelled against God's word.......Adam was in eternal spiritual union with God.
When a person is born again.. they are RETURNED to this... as their Salvation.
That is 2nd Adam, restoring spiritual union with God.. to the Believer.........that 1st Adam lost for us all.
A.) No sin found in God, and Adam was there before He "fell" from that STATUS.
So THEN.....once Adam disobeyed God's word.>>>"tho shalt not"....and ate that Apple.. then this is literally Adam giving His dominion of the planet to the devil.
This is when Satan became "god of this world"...as Adam handed Satan that Dominion, when Adam chose to = REBEL against God's command.
And that Instant FALL of Adam, became the fall of us all., as by "one man's sin". we became sinners.
praise_yeshua
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James clearing says that we do.
Jas 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.
There are various states of living. Various states of life. He that doesn't have the Son.... doesn't have eternal life.
praise_yeshua
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Please provide Scripture for this claim. There is no verse classified as Scripture that states this. Just silly doctrines of men.
Not true. What I have in the 2nd Adam is MORE than what Adam had in the beginning. There are several Scriptural reasons that I can say that. Can you think of any?
Adam was capable of sin. We know he was because.... HE SINNED. God is not capable of sin. Your equation doesn't make any sense at all.
Abel did not sin. In fact, Abel pleased God. That is why Cain MURDERED Abel.
Abel was unjustly killed for pleasing God,
Dizerner
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Sure.
Physically existing is colloquially called life.
This is why Jesus told us what "true" or "real" life is, which gives greater precedence and authenticity to spiritual life over physical existence.
If you can't see that, you will never appreciate what grace really means, and exalt naturalism over redemption.
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