Understanding the nature of man and sin

[jeremiah1five]

Um the New testament is scripture and BTW the old covenant has been replaced with the New

Yes, it is Scripture in the sense of being written (script.)
But just because Gentiles gather scrolls and make a book does not mean it is on par with the Hebrew Scripture, the Oracles of God, from Genesis to Malachi.
All the New Covenant writing from Matthew to Revelation is only exploration, explanation, and discussion of the things happening in Israel using the Hebrew Scripture to understand the new thing God was doing in the earth. Letters are not prophecy, but the writer's explanation of the Acts of the Holy Spirit in the world and God's dealing with Israel. Still.
The gospels were written to and for the children of Israel so that they might believe and come to the knowledge of the truth concerning Jesus bar Joseph from Nazareth.
The word of mouth was helpful also among the Jews about this Jesus, a Teacher, Prophet sent by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
There is no replacement of the Mosaic Covenant. The people of God still use it for instruction in righteousness, for doctrine, for reproof, and for correction so that the Jewish Christ may be thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Without the Mosaic Law God's people are without direction. But thanks to God His true people are obedient to His commandments.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev. 22:14.

And no, this was not written to non-Hebrew Gentiles but to the Jewish people of God.
Without the Mosaic Law given to Israel and their obedience to God's Word they would be a people who would lean upon their own understanding in the vanity of their minds.

 

[TomL]

Yes, it is Scripture in the sense of being written (script.)
But just because Gentiles gather scrolls and make a book does not mean it is on par with the Hebrew Scripture, the Oracles of God, from Genesis to Malachi.

So you deny the inspiration of the New Testament.

Nothing more need be said.

 

[David Koberstein]

The following implications of this belief are hard to accept:

1. That GOD cannot only bring HIS bride, HIS church, to a full knowledge of HIM without the use of evil.

We must accept the necessary but unproven presupposition that it is impossible for GOD to perfect HIS creatures HIMSELF, that HE needs the presence of evil that HE abhors in order to bring HIS creation to its highest potential. In other words we must accept, for example, that in GOD’S world one has to first be sick in order to be healthy, or sinful in order to be faultless.

2. It implies that the damnation of millions that is caused by this method to teach us to understand HIM fully is a necessity...but how does the damnation of millions makes us more appreciative / perfect in understanding than would be the sinfulness and damnation of just one or two, Adam and Eve of even just Satan, the serpent?

Does a billion suffering have a more edifying effect than a mere million? Or even just one single person?

3. This doctrine ignores the fact that one part of HIS creation, the holy and elect angels, did not need to be created under sin to suffer and die to fully understand HIM. If not them, why us? Was HE so angry at at the fall of Adam and Eve (but not the serpent) that HE forgot how to create perfect people who did not need to sin to come to a full understanding of HIM?

4. This doctrine ignores the fact that Satan and his reprobate angels chose sin from a position of pre-sin moral innocence and thus their higher understanding of HIM did nothing at all to alleviate their degradation because they merely held the truth in unrighteousness, Romans 1:18-end.

Why did they not need to be born into sin to learn this truth they had come to reject?

Genesis Chapter 3 Part 1

Dr. Baruch Korman presents a detailed analysis, interpretation and understanding from The Book of Genesis Chapter 3 Part 1. About Baruch: R. Baruch is the senior lecturer at the Zera Avraham Institute based in Israel. He also appears on the Israeli Television program Pdut L

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[David Koberstein]

Genesis Chapter 3 Part 1

Dr. Baruch Korman presents a detailed analysis, interpretation and understanding from The Book of Genesis Chapter 3 Part 1. About Baruch: R. Baruch is the senior lecturer at the Zera Avraham Institute based in Israel. He also appears on the Israeli Television program Pdut L

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[David Koberstein]

Genesis Chapter 3 Part 2

Dr. Baruch Korman presents a detailed analysis, interpretation and understanding from The Book of Genesis Chapter 3 Part 2. About Baruch: R. Baruch is the senior lecturer at the Zera Avraham Institute based in Israel. He also appears on the Israeli Television program Pdut L

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Genesis Chapter 3 Part 3 & Chapter 4 Part 1

Dr. Baruch Korman presents a detailed analysis, interpretation and understanding from The Book of Genesis Chapter 3 Part 3 & Chapter 4 Part 1. About Baruch: R. Baruch is the senior lecturer at the Zera Avraham Institute based in Israel. He also appears on the Israeli Television program Pdut L

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[Pancho Frijoles]

ALL PRAISE AND WORSHIP TO SAUL, THE GOD AND APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES!!!

HALLELU-SAUL!
HALLELU-SAUL!
HALLELU-SAUL!

Er, I mean, PAUL!

If you want to be a true disciple of Saul, then follow the example of Saul, who never show the minimal interest in inquiring about the genetic lineage of those whom he sought to convert.
You need to fall from your horse in your way to Damascus.
You need to understand that, by condemning the Congolese and the Chinese, you are fighting Christ and kicking against the goads.
You need to be blinded by the light and then healed from your blindness.

All Praise be to the One and Only God!

 

[David Koberstein]

If you want to be a true disciple of Saul, then follow the example of Saul, who never show the minimal interest in inquiring about the genetic lineage of those whom he sought to convert.
You need to fall from your horse in your way to Damascus.
You need to understand that, by condemning the Congolese and the Chinese, you are fighting Christ and kicking against the goads.
You need to be blinded by the light and then healed from your blindness.

All Praise be to the One and Only God!

You don't want to be a true disciple of Saul, but you want to be a true disciple of Yeshua.
Thanks for gas lighting and playing the race card.
Shalom

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You don't want to be a true disciple of Saul, but you want to be a true disciple of Yeshua.

I agree, my friend.
I was just leveraging on our brother's enthusiastic claim.

By the way, I don't know what gaslighting means. I have read it several times and it seems to be a new term used in English language.
My language is Spanish, so my apologies in advance if my question is too basic. What is, then, gas lighting?

 

[e v e]

If you want to be a true disciple of Saul, then follow the example of Saul, who never show the minimal interest in inquiring about the genetic lineage of those whom he sought to convert.
You need to fall from your horse in your way to Damascus.
You need to understand that, by condemning the Congolese and the Chinese, you are fighting Christ and kicking against the goads.
You need to be blinded by the light and then healed from your blindness.

All Praise be to the One and Only God!

God is only interested
and cares for the Hebrew nepesh soul

not the flesh body.

obsession here w the flesh body and its types
is a weird fetish..

flesh will never enter eden paradise ...
eden paradise which He is restoring
and making new

Paul is with Christ and understood...
our goal is our imperishable nature from IEUE
and not this world.. or its flesh
or its pharisee traditions
but to Return to our Home
with IEUE

why the attacks by some here, on Paul, a
sweet soul of Christ?

 

[e v e]

all His souls are His representatives..
as such caring for Paul is not a sin
no more than loving your wife
and children is...

 

[e v e]

i am a hebrew nepesh Soul

IEUE
His Son CHRIST
and His Spirit
are my core Family
and Deity

 

[e v e]

judaism will never be compatible
with IEUE, God,
and opposes Him.
and is not the same in the
history of God's souls in the OT
but runs its own parallel track
oppressing Hebrew souls
then

just as modern christianity
oppresses Gods souls
today

at the heart of both
of these examples
of judaism and modern christianity
is the corrupt scroll

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

God is only interested
and cares for the Hebrew nepesh soul

not the flesh body.

Hi Eve

I think it is key to understand two different concepts:

• The life of the flesh, which is our choice to live governed, ruled by our bodily impulses over any other consideration.
• The bodily impulses themselves, which are good, created by God, and important for our spiritual development.

God gave us an animal body as a very important tool for our spiritual experience.
Nothing escapes from God's plan.
Every bodily impulse is there to do something good, if we put it under the direction of God.
And certainly, the pleasures we get from the body, within the direction of God, are there to be enjoyed. This include having sex, eating delicious food, swimming in a refreshing river or pool, dancing, laughing, relaxing, getting a massage, etc.

Every flower which wilts, every corpse decomposed by bacteria to its basic elements, every star that dies in implosion or explosion, is under God's big plan of things.

In our experience in this earth, The battle between the spirit and the flesh is not a battle in which our bodies are annulled, but in which our bodies are put to the service of our spirit.

 

[e v e]

Hi Eve

I think it is key to understand two different concepts:

• The life of the flesh, which is our choice to live governed, ruled by our bodily impulses over any other consideration.
• The bodily impulses themselves, which are good, created by God, and important for our spiritual development.

God gave us an animal body as a very important tool for our spiritual experience.
Nothing escapes from God's plan.
Every bodily impulse is there to do something good, if we put it under the direction of God.
And certainly, the pleasures we get from the body, within the direction of God, are there to be enjoyed. This include having sex, eating delicious food, swimming in a refreshing river or pool, dancing, laughing, relaxing, getting a massage, etc.

Every flower which wilts, every corpse decomposed by bacteria to its basic elements, every star that dies in implosion or explosion, is under God's big plan of things.

In our experience in this earth, The battle between the spirit and the flesh is not a battle in which our bodies are annulled, but in which our bodies are put to the service of our spirit.

I will reply more..but until then..
this reply I made might help...

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-importance-of-the-law-of-moses.1394/page-12#post-126178

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you want to be a true disciple of Saul, then follow the example of Saul, who never show the minimal interest in inquiring about the genetic lineage of those whom he sought to convert.
You need to fall from your horse in your way to Damascus.
You need to understand that, by condemning the Congolese and the Chinese, you are fighting Christ and kicking against the goads.
You need to be blinded by the light and then healed from your blindness.

All Praise be to the One and Only God!

Why follow a follower?
I follow the leader.

 

[e v e]

soon Christ, the most sweet lovely deity who loves and understands and who from His own core spoke gorgeous Eden paradise into being will return. He and our mother His gorgeous Feminine spirit will bring Eden back now.