Ephesians 2:8 salvation is the gift

[brightfame52]

and our only responsibility is to receive the gift by faith (John 1:12; 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9).

Thats works. Responsibility the state of being accountable, reliable, or answerable for actions, duties, and their consequences,

Thats operating from a principle of law, thats against Grace Principle.

 

[Red Baker]

@Redeemed

When presenting salvation, the New Testament writers carefully chose words that emphasize grace and freedom. As a result, the Bible could not be more clear—salvation is absolutely free, the true gift of God in Christ, and our only responsibility is to receive the gift by faith (John 1:12; 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–9).

A couple of thoughts is needed to keep the truth of the gospel intact, or else, Satan through his minster's (not implying you are one by no means) will quickly corrupt even pure minds if he could.

1.) Salvation from sin and condemnation is freely imparted based upon Christ securing eternal life for God's elect, by his faith and obedience, alone! Man has no part, or responsibility to receive this gift, it is freely imparted by grace through the power of God's Spirit in regeneration.

2.) The articles also said:

It is what Jesus offers to the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4:10)

The free gift of eternal life is not offered, it is freely imparted, a man dead in trespasses and sins has no power to receive an offer and it is even foolishness and childish thinking to even believe one can.

Eternal life is a gift without any work from man, and a work would be any anything perform whereby man has an "active part in," that would be considered a work of the law.

 

[brightfame52]

By Grace ye are saved shows that there was nothing man can or did do to become saved. Thats true in Eph 2:5,8

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Both times " by grace are ye saved" is passive voice, saved is perfect tense passive voice

Either time the subject was acted upon and their salvation was not of themselves

The Faith in Vs 8 isn't of themselves either, else that would eliminate the passive voice action. The Faith Vs 8 is in line with the principle of grace.

 

[Kampioen]

Thats works. Responsibility the state of being accountable, reliable, or answerable for actions, duties, and their consequences,

Thats operating from a principle of law, thats against Grace Principle.

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not, but believeth** on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Belief/faith is not works according to Rom 4:5/God.

But whether faith is works or not is not the issue, but the counting of faith as righteousness is where the approval of God is. That is the gift of God not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Thus the "not of yourselves" refers to the counting of faith as righteousness as the gift resulting in salvation, not an irresistable grace or faith.

 

[Red Baker]

@Kampioen

But whether faith is works or not is not the issue, but the counting of faith as righteousness is where the approval of God is

Before I comment, please elaborate more on this saying.

 

[brightfame52]

1.) Salvation from sin and condemnation is freely imparted based upon Christ securing eternal life for God's elect, by his faith and obedience, alone! Man has no part, or responsibility to receive this gift, it is freely imparted by grace through the power of God's Spirit in regeneration.

I believe Salvation from sin and condemnation is legal and instead of imparted its imputed and secured by the obedience of Christ alone Rom 5:19 then later the vital part of salvation is imparted by the Spirit and by His Graces the elect receive faith and repentance, yet the elect never had any responsibility in receiving legal salvation, nor vital salvation. I just think its a difference in the legal which deals with sin and condemnation, and the vital that deals with the Spiritual.

The free gift of eternal life is not offered, it is freely imparted, a man dead in trespasses and sins has no power to receive an offer and it is even foolishness and childish thinking to even believe one can.

Amen agreed

Eternal life is a gift without any work from man, and a work would be any anything perform whereby man has an "active part in," that would be considered a work of the law.

Amen excellent

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 4:5 But to him that **worketh not, but believeth** on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Okay, no problem

Belief/faith is not works according to Rom 4:5/God.

Actually it doesnt say that

But whether faith is works or not is not the issue, but the counting of faith as righteousness is where the approval of God is. That is the gift of God not of works, lest any man should boast.

The problem is when Faith is made a condition man must meet, thats when its a work and becomes a legal law issue. See Faith is never taugt to be a condition the sinner meets in the involvement of their salvation.

Thus the "not of yourselves" refers to the counting of faith as righteousness as the gift resulting in salvation, not an irresistable grace or faith.

This is trash talk here. Nothing about Salvation is of ourselves, its all totally of Grace to include Faith

 

[JesusFan]

@JesusFan

Is Psalms 12 in the word of God? Who moved David to write those words?

Again, do you even consider that neither Christ, nor any apostles ever reference to the originals? And they had three times longer of time from Moses to Christ than we do from 1611 until now ~ plus, they did it manually ever so often as needed, yet Christ stood and said:

Matthew 4:4​

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

Matthew 5:18​

“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

So, are you saying that you do not believe these scriptures, yes or no? I do believe in every jolt and tittle, and you had better also believe that we do have every word of God just as he gave it in our KJV for the english speaking people of the world, I cannot speak for other languages that I do not know.

You have been listening to other spirits who have no true love for the word of God, nor faith in God in preserving his word form the hands of wicked men who David call "this" generation! Which are the generation of little serpents, the non elect.

There is NO perfect translation, as inspiration and perfection applied only to the Originals

 

[brightfame52]

Thus the "not of yourselves" refers to the counting of faith as righteousness as the gift resulting in salvation, not an irresistable grace or faith.

Actually you are dead wrong, Grace in Salvation, Grace that saves is the irresistible power of God at work, it finds the object of Gods Tender Mercy, and elect vessel of mercy, dead in trespasses and sins and quickens that dead person to life, Gives them life from the dead Eph 2:4-5

4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Can a dead person resist being made alive ? Could Lazarus dead in his grave, could he have resisted Christ making him alive ? So yes Grace in its application in Salvation is irresistible.