Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".

TedT said:
IF HE did NOT ordain these consequences then how did they occur?? No one else has the power to transmit sinfulness and death to their progeny...how can we pretend GOD did not create this special circumstance??

HE did not just allow Adam's progeny to have his sinfulness, HE ordained it or it would not be so because no one else has ever done that!!! None of the reprobate demonic Satanists have ever achieved this ability. Adam must have got this result by the will of GOD because it is NOT natural.


I agree but when they are sown into the word why do their progeny not inherit their sinfulness but only Adam's ??? Too bogus for me...


WE were all created pecable and we were all faced with the choices Satan, Eve and Adam faced but we did not inherit anyone else's culpability, the unfairness of which which you choose to not address.

Ezek 18:20 Berean Standard Bible
The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. ...yet we all supposedly bear the iniquity of Adam and the consequences of his iniquity...<head shake, sigh>.

IF "bear the iniquity of" does not mean "to be liable for the sinfulness of"...what do we have? Theological gobbledygook...
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Perhaps, if possible, you might slow your roll a little and realize that I have not said we are culpable for Adam’s sin. I have alluded to Ezekiel 18 as support for this purpose. I am not culpable for my father’s actions.

I am, however, subjected to the results of Adam, my father’s, sin. The children of the drunkered are not culpable for the father’s behavior, but the results of the father’s behavior affect and affect the condition of the children’s lives almost irreparably.

Adam’s sin broke the relationship between God and mankind (Adam), and it is broken for all mankind that came from Adam.

Because of Adam, we are separated from God and thereby prone to sinful behavior, because of this, we all will sin, and we become aware of our sinning through the law, and thereby become culpable for our own sins alone.

Doug
 
TibiasDad said:
If you are right, then all men are justified too.

We are all subject to both physical and spiritual death because of Adam. Physical death is an immediate result, but spiritual death is not held upon us until the law comes, for Paul said:

Rom 5:13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.

And again, Paul says in Rom 7:7…. “For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.

We are not considered “spiritually dead” until we are cognizant of the “law” and thereby become aware of our guilt. Paul teaches that physical death “reigns” apart from the law, but it took the law, and our awareness of breaking it to make condemnation actual and binding.


Doug
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You don't understand God's Federal headship with Adam and with Christ
 

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