Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".

TedT said:
IF HE did NOT ordain these consequences then how did they occur?? No one else has the power to transmit sinfulness and death to their progeny...how can we pretend GOD did not create this special circumstance??

HE did not just allow Adam's progeny to have his sinfulness, HE ordained it or it would not be so because no one else has ever done that!!! None of the reprobate demonic Satanists have ever achieved this ability. Adam must have got this result by the will of GOD because it is NOT natural.


I agree but when they are sown into the word why do their progeny not inherit their sinfulness but only Adam's ??? Too bogus for me...


WE were all created pecable and we were all faced with the choices Satan, Eve and Adam faced but we did not inherit anyone else's culpability, the unfairness of which which you choose to not address.

Ezek 18:20 Berean Standard Bible
The soul who sins is the one who will die. A son will not bear the iniquity of his father, and a father will not bear the iniquity of his son. ...yet we all supposedly bear the iniquity of Adam and the consequences of his iniquity...<head shake, sigh>.

IF "bear the iniquity of" does not mean "to be liable for the sinfulness of"...what do we have? Theological gobbledygook...
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Perhaps, if possible, you might slow your roll a little and realize that I have not said we are culpable for Adam’s sin. I have alluded to Ezekiel 18 as support for this purpose. I am not culpable for my father’s actions.

I am, however, subjected to the results of Adam, my father’s, sin. The children of the drunkered are not culpable for the father’s behavior, but the results of the father’s behavior affect and affect the condition of the children’s lives almost irreparably.

Adam’s sin broke the relationship between God and mankind (Adam), and it is broken for all mankind that came from Adam.

Because of Adam, we are separated from God and thereby prone to sinful behavior, because of this, we all will sin, and we become aware of our sinning through the law, and thereby become culpable for our own sins alone.

Doug
 

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