Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".

[atpollard]

Not at all. He can allow free will and still accomplish what he wants in the end.

The Leighton quote says that God "does not accomplish what he wants".

Yes, repentance is granted, but “granted” does not mean “to effectually cause.” Therefore, this passage does not mean repentance is effectual or irresistibly granted to a relatively small number of people mysteriously chosen for unknown reasons before the world began.

As you have so often told us ... "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 [NKJV] "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." - John 12:32 [KJV] ... "ALL MEN" is the will of God and Leighton assures us that God may grant, but "not effectively cause".

 

[TomL]

The Leighton quote says that God "does not accomplish what he wants".



As you have so often told us ... "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9 [NKJV] "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me." - John 12:32 [KJV] ... "ALL MEN" is the will of God and Leighton assures us that God may grant, but "not effectively cause".

You are not going to tell me

That God himself works against that which he wills, are you?

And determines it will not come to pass?

BTW why is God long-suffering if this is all about what he will do?
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But then that is the effect of your theology.

 

[DavidTree]

this is the calvinist view.

Why or how does God chose. what was his will or purpose?

That’s what a Calvinist would say…so whether you call yourself that or not, your beliefs are identical.

Doug

The Holy Scriptures declare no such thing.

You may not be a Calvinist, and I accept that you are not. However, you are buying into one of the Calvinist generated fallacies.

Everyone, please trust the TRUTH = Thy Word is TRUTH"

TRUTH Exhibit A - James 1:18
Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

 

[brightfame52]

Yet again ignoring scripture and sellective acceptance of it is a tactic you employ



Now nothing at all is stated about God irresistibly causing this based on an uncondition election from before the start of the world

Acts 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Nor is it stated when they are turned away from their iniquities.

You are simply assuming your theology, reading it into the text while ignoring all texts that are contrary to your theology.

Jesus gives conversion when He saves Acts 3:26

26Unto yo u first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
That turning away is conversion and its the same word Paul used here in Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

As you can see its a salvation turning, Jesus is the deliverer in Acts 3:26

 

[TomL]

Jesus gives conversion when He saves Acts 3:26

26Unto yo u first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
That turning away is conversion and its the same word Paul used here in Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

As you can see its a salvation turning, Jesus is the deliverer in Acts 3:26

You totally miss the point. They were to be turned away by regeneration after having believed.

Acts 2:37–38 (LEB) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men and brothers?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

They were to repent of their betrayal of Christ and be baptized in his name for the forgiveness of their sins and the nature changing gift of the Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

You totally miss the point. They were to be turned away by regeneration after having believed.

Acts 2:37–38 (LEB) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men and brothers?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

They were to repent of their betrayal of Christ and be baptized in his name for the forgiveness of their sins and the nature changing gift of the Spirit.

Evidence of salvation

 

[TomL]

Evidence of salvation

You ran from even a single verse

You totally miss the point. They were to be turned away by regeneration after having believed.

Acts 2:37–38 (LEB) — 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “What should we do, men and brothers?” 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

They were to repent of their betrayal of Christ and be baptized in his name for the forgiveness of their sins and the nature changing gift of the Spirit.

See what I mean, Civic, my friend?

 

[TibiasDad]

Jesus gives conversion when He saves Acts 3:26

26Unto yo u first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
That turning away is conversion and its the same word Paul used here in Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

As you can see its a salvation turning, Jesus is the deliverer in Acts 3:26

If they were already turned away from their iniquities, then why did Peter need to preach to them about turning from their sins and believing in Jesus?

Doug

 

[atpollard]

BTW why is God long-suffering if this is all about what he will do?

What are the chances you REALLY want to hear a Doctrine of Grace exegesis of 2 Peter 3?

 

[TomL]

What are the chances you REALLY want to hear a Doctrine of Grace exegesis of 2 Peter 3?

The chances are very high I want you to answer the question.

Why is God long-suffering if this is all about what he will do?

 

[TibiasDad]

BTW why is God long-suffering if this is all about what he will do?

Excellent question; I only wish I had thought of it!

Doug

 

[atpollard]

The chances are very high I want you to answer the question.

Why is God long-suffering if this is all about what he will do?

2 Peter 3:1-10 [ESV]

1 This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.

• Note the context:
  • This letter is written to “beloved” … the recipients are SAVED, CHRISTIANS, part of the CHURCH … it is not written to the unsaved.
  • Note the reference to “scoffers” and “last days” … it sets the expectation for the overall subject.

4 They will say, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."

• “They” are the “scoffers” of the previous verse.
• These “scoffers” raised a specific “scoffing” criticism of God … to paraphrase: What is God waiting for? We keep hearing about the coming, but He never comes.

5 For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, and the earth was formed out of water and through water by the word of God, 6 and that by means of these the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished. 7 But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

• Peter’s first response to these “scoffers” is a reminder that throughout history, God has not exactly done “NOTHING”. God has used the very things (water & word) that He employed to create the world to already destroy it once … and God will use that same “word” to destroy by fire not only the earth, but the water and heaven as well!
• Peter notes that these things are being kept for “the day of judgement” and the destruction of those same “scoffers”.

8 But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.

• Here we shift, again, from addressing the scoffing of “scoffers” to speaking directly to the “beloved” … still SAVED, CHRISTIANS, part of the CHURCH.
  • POINT 1: “one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” … the first message to the “beloved” is that God does not reckon time (fast, slow, soon, later) in the same terms that we human beings do. God does not oblige what WE THINK is the correct time for God to act.
  • POINT 2: Peter directly and openly denies the charge of the “scoffers” … “scoffers” charge that God is slow to return … Peter replies that the LORD is not slow to fulfill His promise.
  • POINT 3: Peter explains why the Lord delays His return … the Lord is patient towards “you”.
    • Who are “you”? The “beloved”! The Lord is patient towards the beloved … that is why He delays His return.
    • Why does the Lord delay? To avoid unnecessary perishing of any of “you” (the beloved).
    • How does this avid perishing? Delay creates more time for “you” (the beloved) to “reach repentance”.
• How can this be, if God is responsible for the salvation of the “beloved”?
  • I know, this is the only part you care about and the “Arminian Gotcha” that y’all love to quote, but you really need to know what the heck Peter is talking about to understand the verse, so we had to work our way here.
  • If Jesus returned in AD 100 when all the people that had first read Peter’s words were old men, God would have been faithful to everything that Peter promised. Jesus died around AD 33 and Peter wrote his letter in the AD 60’s, so by AD 100 the LORD would have delayed 70 years and many people would have heard the gospel and believed between AD 66 and AD 100 … so everything Peter said would have been true. However WE would have never been born, so God could not have “foreknown” and “predestined” and “called” and “justified” us [Romans 8:29-30].
  • Thus we have the answer to your question. WE (you and I) are the “beloved” whom God is not willing that ANY of us “beloved” should perish, so Jesus delays his return (the question the “scoffers” asked) to provide time for US to ALL REACH REPENTANCE.
  • God is “long suffering” of the sin and the scoffers, thus He continues to store up for a future day of judgement rather than come prematurely and loose some of the yet unborn and unrepentant “beloved”.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

• There will be a day when the FULL NUMBER (“all”) of the “beloved” will have reached repentance … and then the Lord WILL return.
• It will come unexpected.
• All that God promised on that day WILL come to pass.
• The “scoffers” will scream in terror and the “beloved” will be vindicated for trusting in the Lord.