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But desire a verse that states God is responsible from those who believe such.
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".
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But desire a verse that states God is responsible from those who believe such.
civic
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It lays off people's responsibility when God is affirmed as having responsibility.there is none.
it comes from human wisdom, the philosophies of men, not God.
Calvinist determinism, however, makes God totally responsible.
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civic
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Jeremiah 7:31
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
Jeremiah 19:5
They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 32:35
They built high places for Baal in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to sacrifice their sons and daughters to Molek, though I never commanded—nor did it enter my mind—that they should do such a detestable thing and so make Judah sin.
TibiasDad
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atpollard
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So you are only interested in your view of my theology, not in the actual SCRIPTURE … so noted.
Noted wrongly.
Deal with what was posted instead of indulging in such avoidance tactics.
Again, you were asked to explain the patience of God in waiting for the repentance of man when your theology holds this is solely in the hands of God.
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How does God want any to not perish when he determined most would, as per Calvinist/reformed theology?
atpollard
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From post #112
2 Peter 3:8-9
- Here we shift, again, from addressing the scoffing of “scoffers” to speaking directly to the “beloved” … still SAVED, CHRISTIANS, part of the CHURCH.
- POINT 1: “one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” … the first message to the “beloved” is that God does not reckon time (fast, slow, soon, later) in the same terms that we human beings do. God does not oblige what WE THINK is the correct time for God to act.
- POINT 2: Peter directly and openly denies the charge of the “scoffers” … “scoffers” charge that God is slow to return … Peter replies that the LORD is not slow to fulfill His promise.
- POINT 3: Peter explains why the Lord delays His return … the Lord is patient towards “you”.
- Who are “you”? The “beloved”! The Lord is patient towards the beloved … that is why He delays His return.
- Why does the Lord delay? To avoid unnecessary perishing of any of “you” (the beloved).
- How does this avid perishing? Delay creates more time for “you” (the beloved) to “reach repentance”.
- How can this be, if God is responsible for the salvation of the “beloved”?
- I know, this is the only part you care about and the “Arminian Gotcha” that y’all love to quote, but you really need to know what the heck Peter is talking about to understand the verse, so we had to work our way here.
- If Jesus returned in AD 100 when all the people that had first read Peter’s words were old men, God would have been faithful to everything that Peter promised. Jesus died around AD 33 and Peter wrote his letter in the AD 60’s, so by AD 100 the LORD would have delayed 70 years and many people would have heard the gospel and believed between AD 66 and AD 100 … so everything Peter said would have been true. However WE would have never been born, so God could not have “foreknown” and “predestined” and “called” and “justified” us [Romans 8:29-30].
- Thus we have the answer to your question. WE (you and I) are the “beloved” whom God is not willing that ANY of us “beloved” should perish, so Jesus delays his return (the question the “scoffers” asked) to provide time for US to ALL REACH REPENTANCE.
- God is “long suffering” of the sin and the scoffers, thus He continues to store up for a future day of judgement rather than come prematurely and loose some of the yet unborn and unrepentant “beloved”.
atpollard
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there is none.
it comes from human wisdom, the philosophies of men, not God.
From the “philosopher” Isaiah: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these.”
From the “philosopher” David: “But our God in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.”
From the “philosopher” Joseph: “But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.”
brightfame52
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Evidence of salvation.
brightfame52
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Preaching is instrumental in conversion work, thats why Jesus sent the apostle Paul to preach to the unconverted generated gentiles, to convert them Acts 26:17-18
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
I know you dont understand these things
Dizerner
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Why would ask what my point is when I already said it?
Yes, God DOES bear responsibility for creating our choices, and the possibility of sin's existence.
And he does not shy away from it, either.
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