Eternally-Grateful
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yes, as a reward
Ephesians 2:8 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” with a dollop of "free will".
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civic
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well of course God would never grant that to a non elect person.
, only those He has chosen from before the foundation of the world. wink, wink. The rest are all doomed without ever having a chance to believe the gospel. God only regenerates His elect so that they can be granted faith and repentance to receive the gospel. The dead have no ability until God first regenerates them with life. Those dead in their trespasses and sins have no ability until God regenerates them.I mean I was a calvinist and know the doctrines well.
Chapter and verse
Maybe nothing. Honorary degrees are given all the time.
Here is what Leighton Flowers has to say
Yes, repentance is granted, but “granted” does not mean “to effectually cause.” Therefore, this passage does not mean repentance is effectual or irresistibly granted to a relatively small number of people mysteriously chosen for unknown reasons before the world began.
We do not have a problem saying that “repentance is a granted” in so far as all good things are ultimately from God. Paul asked his readers, “What do you have that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4:7), which strongly implies that all our abilities, including the ability to make a choice to repent, or to trust in God, is given to us by a gracious Creator.
My next breath is granted to me by God, but I am responsible for how I use that gift, right? Likewise, we are “granted” faith or repentance when God brings the means by which we may believe and repent, but we are still responsible for how we use the gifts He grants.
So, when the scripture says things like, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life” (Acts 11:18; 20:21) it does not mean “God has effectually caused a preselected few of the Gentiles to repent” but only that God has sent the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he did for the Jews, so that they too may believe and repent unto new life (John 20:31) and be grafted into the olive tree (Romans 11).
Does God Grant Repentance to Some and Not Others?
Does God Grant Repentance to Some and Not Others? 2 Timothy 2:24-26 by Dr. Leighton Flowers Well respected Calvinistic pastors and theologians often reference 2 Timothy 2:25 as proof of their…
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Acts 11:15–18 (NASB95) — 15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 “And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Here the repentance is unto life. When the gentiles believed it was unto life as evidenced by their baptism in the Holy Spirit
Thus the gentiles were granted the opportunity to believe and receive life.
Eternally-Grateful
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a reward or wage is something you earn. if I received a diploma, I earned it as a reward for my hard work.
Eternally-Grateful
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are they really worth the paper they are written on? Can it get a person a job in that field of work?
What is actually granted or given then?Here is what Leighton Flowers has to say
Yes, repentance is granted, but “granted” does not mean “to effectually cause.” Therefore, this passage does not mean repentance is effectual or irresistibly granted to a relatively small number of people mysteriously chosen for unknown reasons before the world began.
We do not have a problem saying that “repentance is a granted” in so far as all good things are ultimately from God. Paul asked his readers, “What do you have that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4:7), which strongly implies that all our abilities, including the ability to make a choice to repent, or to trust in God, is given to us by a gracious Creator.
My next breath is granted to me by God, but I am responsible for how I use that gift, right? Likewise, we are “granted” faith or repentance when God brings the means by which we may believe and repent, but we are still responsible for how we use the gifts He grants.
So, when the scripture says things like, “So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life” (Acts 11:18; 20:21) it does not mean “God has effectually caused a preselected few of the Gentiles to repent” but only that God has sent the gospel to the Gentiles, just as he did for the Jews, so that they too may believe and repent unto new life (John 20:31) and be grafted into the olive tree (Romans 11).
Does God Grant Repentance to Some and Not Others?
Does God Grant Repentance to Some and Not Others? 2 Timothy 2:24-26 by Dr. Leighton Flowers Well respected Calvinistic pastors and theologians often reference 2 Timothy 2:25 as proof of their…
Acts 11:15–18 (NASB95) — 15 “And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them just as He did upon us at the beginning. 16 “And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ 17 “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Here the repentance is unto life. When the gentiles believed it was unto life as evidenced by their baptism in the Holy Spirit
Thus the gentiles were granted the opportunity to believe and receive life.
Thats not the question is it?
Nope. Honorary degrees given out all the time.
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Thus the gentiles were granted the opportunity to believe and receive life.
Thus, when they believed they were given the Spirit and life.
Eternally-Grateful
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in context of which I wrote it yes
atpollard
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Is "good" also not a creation, but a result or consequence of obedience?
GOOD and EVIL either exist or they do not exist.
- If they exist, then they are either eternal or they have a beginning.
- If they are eternal, that places them in the realm of GOD.
- If they have a beginning then SOMETHING is responsible for that beginning ... the FIRST CAUSE that started "good" and/or "evil".
- If they do not exist, then NIHILISM is correct ... there is no GOOD or EVIL, they are imaginary constructs.
atpollard
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God either created man with the ability to sin or God created man without the ability to sin. There is no alternative (unless God did not create man, which the Bible says is false).
If God created man with the ability to sin, then it was THAT act by God that allows sin to exist. If God had not created man with that ability, then man COULD NOT have sinned. Thus God is the "FIRST CAUSE" (the cause that has no prior cause - nothing created God) and man is the "SECOND CAUSE" (the cause that is the result of some prior cause - God created man). Thus God made man, and man made sin. So God is the UNCREATED CAUSE of Sin and man is the IMMEDIATE CAUSE of Sin.
But you are touting Calvinist/reformed theology
God does not install faith and instead instructs man to believe.
And it is man who has that responsibility
atpollard
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I realize this is probably incomprehensible to you, but not EVERYTHING is about Calvinism.
Eternally-Grateful
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or by giving Man freewill. God gave the possibility that evil would occur. But God is not the author of Evil He just gave the consequences for anyone who did evil
Eternally-Grateful
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this is the calvinist view.
Why or how does God chose. what was his will or purpose?
