Do you know the real Jesus?

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To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
 


The title of this thread is called:

Do you know the real Jesus?

Let's look at what the Jehovah's Witnesses affirmed in 1984:


Awake!: Would you like to learn more about the wonderful prospect of living under the rule of this “Prince of Peace” on a paradise earth? If so, feel free to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses for further information so that you, too, can know the real Jesus Christ.
(Jesus of Nazareth—Who Really Was He?, July 22, 1984, page 13)

The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God."
(The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).

Thomas referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28. Thus, Thomas knew the "real Jesus" is to be worshiped.
 
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The title of this thread is called:

Do you know the real Jesus?

Let's look at what the Jehovah's Witnesses affirmed in 1984:


Awake!: Would you like to learn more about the wonderful prospect of living under the rule of this “Prince of Peace” on a paradise earth? If so, feel free to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses for further information so that you, too, can know the real Jesus Christ.
(Jesus of Nazareth—Who Really Was He?, July 22, 1984, page 13)

The Watchtower: Only an inferior, a worshiper, can refer to another as "my God."
(The Trinity—Should You Believe It?, February 1, 1984, page 5).

Thomas referred to the Lord Jesus as "my God" in John 20:28. Thus, Thomas knew the "real Jesus" is to be worshiped.
Try commenting on the scriptures i shared. Found in every translation on earth. You can keep denying truth but you will lose in the end.
 
Do you know the real Jesus from a fake ?

How to test the spirits as John taught us below.

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

We are warned not only from Jesus but Peter,Paul and John about false teachers that would arise among the flock of God. Here in this most important passage the apostle John lays out for us a way to know for sure if a “prophet or teacher” is of God or the spirit of antichrist. Remember there are only one of 2 spirits that any message being communicated about Jesus can be from, the first is the Spirit of God and the other is the spirit of antichrist. Believe it or not the apostle John gives us the tests to prove whether one speaks by the Spirit of God or antichrist regarding the person of Jesus. We need to ask ourselves what does it actually mean to confess Jesus has come in the flesh? This becomes the litmus test for the Christian or we can call it the lie detector test. We can hook someone up to the polygraph machine on this one and detect the truth from a lie, the Spirit of God verse the spirit of antichrist. Did you in order to spot a counterfeit, the agents in banks are not trained by studying fake $100 bills but the real ones? It is only in knowing the genuine articles that the fakes are easily spotted. Such is the case with the bible. Unless you know it, you will accept a fake and believe it is real. John lets us know in his epistle how to spot a counterfeit.

To confess- NT:3670

1. homologeo (‎o(mologe/w‎, NT:3670), lit., "to speak the same thing" (homos, "same," lego, "to speak"), "to assent, accord, agree with," denotes, (a) "to confess, declare, admit,"

(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright © 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers.)

To confess means to agree with, say the same thing or to admit what has been declared about Christ. What John is telling his readers is that they must agree with him what has been declared about Jesus. When we look at John writings we see that The Word was God and the Word became(a coming with an abiding effect)flesh. This is fundamental to the Christian faith the Incarnation. God became(permanently) man and dwelt among us. John makes that clear when he says that Jesus has come in the flesh.

Has come- this is in the perfect tense which means a past action with continuing results in the present. John is telling us at the time he penned these words that Jesus came in the flesh in the past and that He continues in the flesh in the present, well after His ascension to the Father. Christ took upon Himself flesh and this has become His permanent dwelling. This is a direct refutation of the Gnostic Cerinthus who taught that Christ only temporarily assumed a body.

So we can see from John here that anyone that does not agree the Jesus is both permanently God and man is the spirit of antichrist and this persons message is not from God. John is writing after the resurrection and is using perfect tense in Greek which denotes a past action with continuing results into the present, and continuing on through eternity. Christ came in the flesh, He rose from the dead in the flesh, Ascended into heaven in the flesh and is now 2000 years later still in the flesh. The same body that He was born and died with that still bare the marks of His crucifixion, He rose with from the grave. If one claims that Christ rose as a spirit being and not in His physical material body of flesh and bones, they are of the spirit of antichrist. One cannot deny the Deity of Jesus or His humanity. Those who deny any of these truths according to John do not have the Father, the Son or the Spirit.

1 John 4:2
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.



Erchomenon
the present participle in 2 John 7

Alford
- the present tense is timeless(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Brooke- the Incarnation is not only an event in history, it is an abiding truth(pg 274 RNTC on 2 John)

Stott- the two natures manhood and Godhood were united already at His birth, never to be divided. In 1 John 4:2 and here in 2 John 7 emphasizes this permanent union of the natures in the One Person ( TNTC pages 209-210) He who denies the Incarnation is not just a deceiver and an antichrist but “the deceiver and the antichrist”. There is in this heresy a double affront: it opposes Christ and deceives men.(stott TNCT page 210)

Marshall- the use of the present and perfect tenses becomes significant if the point is that Jesus Christ had come and still existed “in flesh”. For him(John) it was axiomatic that there had been a true Incarnation, that the word became flesh and remained flesh. It is a point that receives much stress in 1 John 2:18-28;4:1-6;5:5-8. (NICNT pages 70-71)

Smalley- the present tense emphasizes the permanent union of the human and Divine natures in Jesus. Gods self disclosure in Jesus took place at a particular moment in history , but it has continuing effects in the present and into the future(Word Biblical Commentary page 317)

Nicoll- the continuous manifestation of the Incarnate Christ(Expositors Greek Testament Volume 5 page 202)

Akin- Much has been made of the fact that John uses the present tense in this Christological confession. Literally the verse reads, “Jesus Christ coming in flesh.” “Coming” is a present active participle. This stands out in remarkable contrast to the affirmation of 1 John 4:2, where the text states that “Jesus Christ has [emphasis mine] come in the flesh.” There the perfect active participle is used. The key, it seems, is to discover what John is affirming. Here in 2 John the emphasis falls on the abiding reality of the incarnation. First John 4:2 teaches that the Christ, the Father’s Son (v. 3), has come in the flesh. Second John affirms that the wedding of deity and humanity has an abiding reality (cf. 1 Tim 2:5). The ontological and essential nature of the incarnation that would receive eloquent expression one thousand years later in the writing of St. Anselm (1033–1109) in his classic Cur Deus Homo is already present in seed form in the tiny and neglected letter of 2 John.

Lenski- In 1 John 4:2 we have ἐν σαρκὶ ἐληλυθότα, the perfect participle, “as having come in flesh” (incarnate, John 1:14); here we have ἐρχόμενον ἐν σαρκί, “as coming in flesh,” although the participle is present in form it is really timeless.


of Christ as "still being manifested." See the note at 1 John 3:5. In 1 John 4:2 we have the manifestation treated as a past fact by the perfect tense, ‎eleeluthota ‎"has come

Robertson- That Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh Ieesoun ‎‎Christon ‎‎erchomenon ‎‎en ‎‎sarki‎. "Jesus Christ coming in the flesh." Present middle participle of ‎erchomai treating the Incarnation as a continuing fact which the Docetic Gnostics flatly denied. In 1 John 4:2 we have ‎eleeluthota ‎(perfect active participle) in this same construction with ‎homologeoo‎, because there the reference is to the definite historical fact of the Incarnation.

Vincent- Is come erchomenon‎. Wrong. The verb is in the present participle, "coming," which describes the manhood

hope this helps !!!
 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first


John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
the jw false witnesses are at it again - twisting scripture like the serpent in the Garden
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

By this TRUTH in 1 Peter1:1 we know who the True Worshippers of ELOHIM are


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us:
by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


ATTENTION all jw's the FATHER says every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Yahshua HaMashiach is YHWH

Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am Elohim, and there is no other.
I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,

That to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath.


Have you never read:
Trust in the Lord forever,
For in Yah, the Lord, is everlasting strength.

 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?
None of the above are Christian concepts because they are all written before there were Christians. Christian doctrine is found in the Epistles.
 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?

If you remain in unbelief until your death, just think of the sheer TERROR when you must finally
bow your knee and confess with your tongue that Yahshua HaMashiach is YHWH.

TERROR = It will be too late for you to repent and be SAVED

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Repent now = Today and surrender to JESUS CHRIST the LORD and HE will lift you UP
 
To be a Christian= following Jesus example as best as possible. That means with ones whole heart, soul and mind. Thus then it is 100% fact, the teachers on earth who have Jesus teach what he taught= correct? = Yes. The true followers do the same.
Jesus Teaches:
1)Matt 6:33- Keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his( Father= Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added.( sustenance, covering, spirituality))))--false teachers teach ones to seek Jesus righteousness first
2)John 17:1-6,26--Jesus is 100% clear= the one who sent him= Father( Jehovah) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD and one must know him as that and know Jesus to get eternal life.--Verse 6=Jehovah, verse 26= Jehovah= The Father.
3) John 4:22-24-- YOU worship what you do not know--but the true followers will worship the Father( Jehovah) in spirit and truth)))--No mention of a trinity by Jesus. Why?=John 17:3--The Father is the only true God.

Just by those 3 teachings one can see clear if their teachers have Jesus or not. And when ones teachers do not match Jesus= Run from them.

John 14:6-- I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me. ---See one must go through Jesus and get to the Father( Jehovah)

Trinity religions do not match Jesus. Do you think he is with them?

You are skimming over the surface of scripture.

look more at context..time and place.
who is talking to whom etc..

for example..when Jesus said 'the Father is greater than I'

He ascended to be one with the Father not long afterwards.

Jesus's position on earth was lesser. That changed . Jesus is now in the same position. Equal.

If I say the prime minister is greater than me..
is he a superior being? No.

He had a greater office.

Another example: Jesus doing things 'by the hand of the Father ' or 'doing the Father's will'... calling God his Father..

What did that mean to the Pharisees and Scribes?

Because when they saw someone as an agent for another.. they saw the agent having the same authority as the originator.

So when Jesus said how He is related to the Father..they knew He was claiming equality with the Father.
 
the jw false witnesses are at it again - twisting scripture like the serpent in the Garden
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

By this TRUTH in 1 Peter1:1 we know who the True Worshippers of ELOHIM are


Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us:
by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


ATTENTION all jw's the FATHER says every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Yahshua HaMashiach is YHWH

Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am Elohim, and there is no other.
I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,

That to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall take an oath.


Have you never read:
Trust in the Lord forever,
For in Yah, the Lord, is everlasting strength.
Are you for real? Matt 6:33 is in every translation on earth--It cannot be denied by anyone, but you are denying it-WHY?
LORD is not found in the OT in Gods bible translation. Catholicism removed Gods name against his will and replaced it with titles by satans will. You best relook.

All must bow in obesiance to Gods appointed king.
 
None of the above are Christian concepts because they are all written before there were Christians. Christian doctrine is found in the Epistles.
What are you talking about? God inspired the whole bible-especially what Jesus taught is in every translation on Gods earth.
 
If you remain in unbelief until your death, just think of the sheer TERROR when you must finally
bow your knee and confess with your tongue that Yahshua HaMashiach is YHWH.

TERROR = It will be too late for you to repent and be SAVED

Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Repent now = Today and surrender to JESUS CHRIST the LORD and HE will lift you UP
Psalm 110:1= Matt 22:44= The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is. Sit at my right hand until i make your enemies as a stool for your feet.
What don't understand about that? It proves 100% Jehovah is not Jesus.
 
You are skimming over the surface of scripture.

look more at context..time and place.
who is talking to whom etc..

for example..when Jesus said 'the Father is greater than I'

He ascended to be one with the Father not long afterwards.

Jesus's position on earth was lesser. That changed . Jesus is now in the same position. Equal.

If I say the prime minister is greater than me..
is he a superior being? No.

He had a greater office.

Another example: Jesus doing things 'by the hand of the Father ' or 'doing the Father's will'... calling God his Father..

What did that mean to the Pharisees and Scribes?

Because when they saw someone as an agent for another.. they saw the agent having the same authority as the originator.

So when Jesus said how He is related to the Father..they knew He was claiming equality with the Father.
Never equal , you are in error-Rev 3:12= sitting at the right hand of majesty( God=Jehovah) Heb 1:3) 1:4--So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs= English--If God didn't give him the name Jesus he was equal to the angels.
Psalm 45:7 backs it up-- You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. That is why God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your (partners=angels
 
Are you for real? Matt 6:33 is in every translation on earth--It cannot be denied by anyone, but you are denying it-WHY?
LORD is not found in the OT in Gods bible translation. Catholicism removed Gods name against his will and replaced it with titles by satans will. You best relook.
i NEVER deny any word that proceeds from the Mouth of God

the Vatican is pure EVIL and that Harlot and Her children will Judged and God promised that HE will put it in "their hearts to burn Her with FIRE"

Matt 6:33
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, is ABSOLUTELY TRUE

Here is the kingdom of God and His Righteousness

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us:
by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:


Here is the kingdom of God and His righteousness
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness

Here is the kingdom of God and His righteousness

so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Here is the kingdom of God and His righteousness

My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

Here is the kingdom of God and His righteousness

And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe
 
What are you talking about? God inspired the whole bible-especially what Jesus taught is in every translation on Gods earth.

I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.
 
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth.
and the Holy Spirit says to you "nothing could be further from the truth then your post"
 
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