Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?

What is your proof that Ps 139 refers to my eternal spirit (which praised GOD when HE created the physical universe) and not just to my human body when HE sowed me into this world by HIS breath, Matt 13:36-39?

No those were angels praising God.

Look here:

Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them. (Ps. 139:16 NKJ)


At the time of conception it says there not any days existing that were fashioned for him and his substance was yet unformed.
 
Hello Jim!

I suspect, based on my experience in Internet Forums, that some participants face psychiatric challenges.
They do not represent the attitudes or views of the vast majority of the mentally healthy in their religious communities.

This is a delicate topic to discuss, first because even if we were professional psychiatrists, a Forum is not precisely the place were a diagnosis can be made. Second, because there is a strong prejudice against psychiatric problems. To call somebody mentally ill is taken as an insult, when in reality it is no more insult that saying that somebody is diabetic.
However, it has been estimated that around one in two people will experience a mental health disorder at some point in their lifetime. This includes a wide range of conditions, from anxiety and depression to more severe disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Personally I have an attention deficit disorder, which drives me sometimes to write posts with impulsivity, particularly in the afternoons and evenings (now, for example!)

When I find people who seem to enjoy insulting systematically other individuals or religious groups, I prefer to think they have a mental problem rather than a spiritual problem.
Yes, I would agree with you. There does seem to be definite signs of a mental problem there. Some professional help is definitely needed. But far to often any such help is rejected.
 
Hello Jim!

I suspect, based on my experience in Internet Forums, that some participants face psychiatric challenges.
They do not represent the attitudes or views of the vast majority of the mentally healthy in their religious communities.

This is a delicate topic to discuss, first because even if we were professional psychiatrists, a Forum is not precisely the place were a diagnosis can be made. Second, because there is a strong prejudice against psychiatric problems. To call somebody mentally ill is taken as an insult, when in reality it is no more insult that saying that somebody is diabetic.
However, it has been estimated that around one in two people will experience a mental health disorder at some point in their lifetime. This includes a wide range of conditions, from anxiety and depression to more severe disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Personally I have an attention deficit disorder, which drives me sometimes to write posts with impulsivity, particularly in the afternoons and evenings (now, for example!)

When I find people who seem to enjoy insulting systematically other individuals or religious groups, I prefer to think they have a mental problem rather than a spiritual problem.
No one on a forum without knowing them personally can make a judgement on another’s mental condition. The only way is if the member says they have one. And no one should belittle another person implying they have mental issues. I have been working in senior living for over a decade and specifically with families who have loved ones with dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. I can spot it pretty easily in person but there is no way unless you see them personally and spend time with them up close.

The same goes with bipolar disorders and types of schizophrenia and similar mental diagnosis that are behavior problems we in the assisted living industry must refer to a behavioral model of living and not ours.

I have interacted online with people who admit they are bipolar, schizophrenic and have other types of mental conditions.

Then there are those who just troll people online and say they have conditions when in reality they do not.
 
No one on a forum without knowing them personally can make a judgement on another’s mental condition. The only way is if the member says they have one. And no one should belittle another person implying they have mental issues. I have been working in senior living for over a decade and specifically with families who have loved ones with dementia and Alzheimer’s disease. I can spot it pretty easily in person but there is no way unless you see them personally and spend time with them up close.

The same goes with bipolar disorders and types of schizophrenia and similar mental diagnosis that are behavior problems we in the assisted living industry must refer to a behavioral model of living and not ours.

I have interacted online with people who admit they are bipolar, schizophrenic and have other types of mental conditions.

Then there are those who just troll people online and say they have conditions when in reality they do not.
I agree with you 100% and I thank your post.
When I mention this possibility is indeed to broaden our patience and understanding in the replies we make to those fellows, compared to the replies we would be tempted to post if we thought those persons express real hatred to a given person.
 
Hashem had a sense of humor; He created man.
ImCo, this planet of mankind was no joke...it is a prison planet for the unforgivable, those damned already, with a rehab centre in it for those sinful prisoners who could be redeemed as a reading of Rev 12:4-9 and Matt 13:27-30 with 36-39 together tells us.

This prison planet sequesters the heavenly company from the predations of us evil ones.
 
ImCo, this planet of mankind was no joke...it is a prison planet for the unforgivable, those damned already, with a rehab centre in it for those sinful prisoners who could be redeemed as a reading of Rev 12:4-9 and Matt 13:27-30 with 36-39 together tells us. This prison planet sequesters the heavenly company from the predations of us evil ones.

I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.
 
I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.
Trust and hope....well said.
 
I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.

I'm glad you didn't say "wrath of God" on Jesus.....
 
I will gladly say Christ took the wrath I deserved as my penalty.

I'm sure your sin is so golden and sugar coated your penalty would never be wrath.
No. My sins is dark like your sin. However my sin never merited the the wrath of God upon Christ. You treasure the suffering of Christ for your sin. The more you think Christ suffered the more you see value in His suffering.

What not believe Jesus spent three days in the flames of hell for you?
 
You treasure the suffering of Christ for your sin.

I am indeed incredibly thankful for what my Savior did for me.

It would seem very entitled and rude not to be.

However my sin never merited the the wrath of God upon Christ.

Merited?

Christ took our punishment freely, not because he deserved to.

What not believe Jesus spent three days in the flames of hell for you?

Three days would never be enough.

Christ took my full punishment ON THE CROSS.
 
I am indeed incredibly thankful for what my Savior did for me.

It would seem very entitled and rude not to be.

No. You exaggerate the suffering of Christ by insisting that the wrath of God was poured out upon Christ in the same manner God will bring men to nothing.....

Merited?

Christ took our punishment freely, not because he deserved to.

Never said Jesus deserved it. You preach that Christ suffered more than He did. That is seeing MORE value in the suffering of Christ than what God said. Jesus triumphed over sin and the Grave. He suffered but it was relatively easy for Him compared to the never ending wrath of God.

Keep this up. We'll get somewhere. You might change.


Three days would never be enough.

Christ took my full punishment ON THE CROSS.

How is this possible if you were to be separated from God for all Eternity in endless torment?

You think your sins are more valuable than they actually are. I'm a sinful man. I know my sin is great but Jesus only took less than 40 years to be judged for ALL SIN. Not just your sin. He has been highly exalted and given a name that is above every name. I'm not saying HE didn't earn it but Jesus certainly didn't value sin itself to the point that He had to endure the wrath of God. In fact, God the Father was with Him in His suffering. I'm sure Jesus treasured this.... You should find value in this yourself.
 
Ditto since it’s unbiblical and the doctrines made up by man.

Just tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

No, tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

I swear I really wanna know

the Law brings wrath

I'm more sincere than you, you know

the Law brings wrath

I don't just preach what I've been taught

the Law brings wrath

I pray and think all for myself

the Law brings wrath

If you could only prove your point

the Law brings wrath

Maybe I'd admit you're right

the Law brings wrath

But all you got is eisegesis

the Law brings wrath

I purely read the words of Jesus

the Law brings wrath

So I'll dismiss ya, you got nuthin'

the Law brings wrath

Get a verse or you are frontin'

the Law brings wrath

yeah, you... you jus' got nuthin'


For the law brings wrath (Rom. 4:15)
 
Just tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

No, tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

I swear I really wanna know

the Law brings wrath

I'm more sincere than you, you know

the Law brings wrath

I don't just preach what I've been taught

the Law brings wrath

I pray and think all for myself

the Law brings wrath

If you could only prove your point

the Law brings wrath

Maybe I'd admit you're right

the Law brings wrath

But all you got is eisegesis

the Law brings wrath

I purely read the words of Jesus

the Law brings wrath

So I'll dismiss ya, you got nuthin'

the Law brings wrath

Get a verse or you are frontin'

the Law brings wrath

yeah, you... you jus' got nuthin'


For the law brings wrath (Rom. 4:15)
Romans 4:15 CJB
For what law brings is punishment. But where there is no law, there is also no violation.
Shalom
 
Just tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

No, tell me what the Bible says,

the Law brings wrath

I swear I really wanna know

the Law brings wrath

I'm more sincere than you, you know

the Law brings wrath

I don't just preach what I've been taught

the Law brings wrath

I pray and think all for myself

the Law brings wrath

If you could only prove your point

the Law brings wrath

Maybe I'd admit you're right

the Law brings wrath

But all you got is eisegesis

the Law brings wrath

I purely read the words of Jesus

the Law brings wrath

So I'll dismiss ya, you got nuthin'

the Law brings wrath

Get a verse or you are frontin'

the Law brings wrath

yeah, you... you jus' got nuthin'


For the law brings wrath (Rom. 4:15)
I think death covers it right?

The law brings death
The law brings death
The law brings death

Do you realize that sin couldn't take the life of Jesus Christ? Jesus laid down His life.

There is a big difference in how we are approaching this. I honestly believe you see your sin meriting the death of Christ. I know I once believed the same. No matter how I told myself I didn't, I did. I just refuse to admit it.
 
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