Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?
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The law brings knowledge of sin (Rom 3:29).
Dizerner
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Spiritual death is the lake of fire in Scripture, God's wrath.
There is no separation of spiritual and physical death in Scripture where only one is sin's punishment.
If physical death were all that it was, we pay our debt when we die and merit heaven.
Dizerner
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Look up the original here.
ὁ γὰρ νόμος ὀργὴν κατεργάζεται (Rom. 4:15 BGT)
the for law wrath works out
praise_yeshua
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So Christ died a spiritual death? Why are you moving the "goalpost"?
praise_yeshua
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Neither one of you understand what you read. It establishes why the law was given. It is not the measure of judgement upon Jesus Christ.
It is simply a logical argument made relative to even the basic understanding of human interactions upon the earth. We create our own laws (example, Gentiles) Moses created his own laws. (After Israel had rejected God at Sinai.)
Even as humans beings, we do not rightful judge what we do not first condemn in our own laws.
In reviewing such laws we all realize that we are equally guilty of what we condemn in others. Any law is self revealing of hypocrisy. We often judge others without a single thought of our own guilt.
That wrath you're referencing is found in the ultimate punishment of any law. Death.
David Koberstein
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I will stick with my mine it's a better translation.
Shalom.
praise_yeshua
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Dizerner
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praise_yeshua
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No. There is a physical death. That is what Jesus experienced. You believe Jesus experienced some "spiritual death".
That is ridiculous.
Dizerner
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You're ridiculous.
The wages of sin is HELL, not the comfort of stopping your existence.
How many lifetimes full of sin would LOVE a free pass of just dying, paying no price tag for their entire life consumed in sin.
One day you might understand the holiness of God.
If you ever started to actually fear him.
praise_yeshua
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I know how to read. It is physical death. Why did you change the Scriptures? Do you want your own translation?
Brother..... you missing so much in you Arminianism. Arminianism didn't teach you what I'm about to teach you......
It is the rejection of Jesus Christ that causes damnation in the lake of fire.
civic
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Amen
David Koberstein
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Sometimes you have to reach through the Greek into the Hebrew for the accurate translation.
Shalom
praise_yeshua
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Spiritual death is simply a separation from God at some level. When Adam sinned he placed a fence between God and himself. It was not necessarily a block wall of complete separation. The same is true for us. For those who will suffer the second death spoken of in Revelation 20:6, that separation will be complete and permanent. Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" that is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" There was at that time a separation between God and Jesus. Jesus was the sacrifice for the sins of the world. God was not, could not be, with him there; Jesus was on His own. We have no idea, probably could not even begin to imagine what that separation, that spiritual death, was like. Clearly, it was more than simply the physical death of the body.
Yes...
I like to suggest that all sins have and equal and ultimate disvalue to GOD and we are treated differently in regard to our sins because of our different relationship with GOD as HIS elect based upon our faith. belief or as HIS enemies. who have never believed. Thus,
John 3:18
Berean Standard Bible
Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
praise_yeshua
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Think about this for a minute.....
At the end of the judgement where The Judge, Jesus Christ, judges mankind relative to their relationship to Him, there will be a more severe judgement.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is the final vengeance upon unbelievers. "Going from the frying pan into the fire."
Yes, He chose by HIS free will to die to be the saviour for anyone who accepted / trusted in HIS claim to be the only saviour from any sin which was HIS election promise to everyone created in HIS image.
Some fully believed HIS promise, some never believed and were condemned at once and some believe but as those under the promise of salvation and safe from hell, went their own way into sin...
Back in their day, the Psalms and verses were not numbered so they were referred to by their first line. Such a reference was known to be a reference to the whole song.
ImCo, this quote of Psalm 22 ends in VICTORY no matter how bad it seemed to onlookers! It was not a cry of despair but a proclamation of victory!
Ps 22:31 They will come and proclaim His righteousness to a people yet unborn—that He has done it.
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