Do physical bodies die because of Adam's sin?

[TedT]

But the Cow has no spirit in it, that would allow it to "choose" to deviate from the purpose of God's creation.

Then why was the serpent judged to be evil above, ie, more than, the other animals which implies they were also evil but not so bad as him?

Why were the animals cursed only a little less than the serpent in the garden, if they could not sin?

Why were the animal killed in the flood for the violence of their nature when it was the sinfulness of the violence that doomed mankind?

 

[Bronson]

Then why was the serpent judged to be evil above, ie, more than, the other animals which implies they were also evil but not so bad as him?

Why were the animals cursed only a little less than the serpent in the garden, if they could not sin?

Why were the animal killed in the flood for the violence of their nature when it was the sinfulness of the violence that doomed mankind?

12 Animals That Represent Evil in the Bible​

These Are the 12 Animals That Represent Evil in the Bible

If you want to learn more about animal symbolism, check out these animals that represent evil in the bible.

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10 Most Evil Animals in The World (With Pictures) - Wild Explained

It is essential to note from the start that there are no good or evil animals, and on the contrary, all of them live their lives driven by their wild instincts. What we see as evil is subjective, and applying that term to creatures that hunt and feed on prey for survival is incorrect. Yet, ...

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[Pancho Frijoles]

I missed that it’s definitely blasphemy and a false prophet, messenger, guide etc…. A true wolf in sheeps clothing

Wolves behave as wolves. They do not defend sheep. They eat sheep. That is why they should be fought.
Bahai’s do not behave like wolves because they are not wolves. They are shepherds of peace in the building of God’s kingdom.

Both his and the Koran are uninspired and an attack on our inspired Bible.

I believe that Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, Bahá’u’lláh… were all Messengers of God, Manifestations of the Word of God. I believe that They all soar in the same heaven, sit on the same throne and speak the same eternal gospel, which is one in essence but differ in the wording, symbols, emphasis, social laws, based on the needs of the times and peoples.
They all ask us to repent and submit our lives to the Creator. This is the essence of the gospel.

Jesus warned us about those who would come in His name to deceive.

Yes, and Jesus gave us a clear method to tell false from true teachers.
“You will know them by their fruit” he said.
It is not by their theology on Jesus’ deity, blood substitutionary atonement and physical resurrection that we will tell who is who.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Thus, adding the supposed millions of years to Scripture destroys the foundations of the message of the Cross.answersingenesis

hope this helps !!!

Thus, you are adding another requisite for salvation.
Now it happens that men must accept that the universe and earth were made some 6000 years ago, and not billions of years ago, in order to be forgiven by God and changed into new people…. Because otherwise the foundation of the message of the cross would be “destroyed”.
Please realize the madness and reject it.

The fact is that Christians across all churches accept that the earth was formed billions of years ago, and continue to believe in the message of the cross. Christians like @synergy and the Pope could live with evidence of widespread death among animals and plants before the Fall. That sole fact proves you wrong.

I call all readers of this Forum to stand firm in rejecting the error contained in the proposition I have quoted from @civic in this post.
Our brother @civic is a noble and authentic son of God. The thesis he has arrived to, tough, is false and dangerous.
The message of the cross is fully compatible with an earth of 4500 million years and the widespread presence of death before man.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

This entire topic is so far off track, there is no way to keep going intelligently or rationally. I am done.

Please do not give up, brother.
Let us know your thoughts on how to get on track again and I will support your call.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Then why was the serpent judged to be evil above, ie, more than, the other animals which implies they were also evil but not so bad as him?

The serpent of the story of Genesis was not a snake, a literal animal. It is the representation of evil, the opposition to a God, Satan.
Animals are not evil.

Why were the animal killed in the flood for the violence of their nature when it was the sinfulness of the violence that doomed mankind?

Animals were not killed in the flood for the violence of their nature.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

This person seriously thinks that the Paraclete is not the Holy Spirit that we all embody but is Baha'u'llah. That is some strong weed that's being passed around amongst the Baha'i.

One thing does not contradict the other: The Holy Spirit dwells in us… and was manifested in Bahá’u’lláh.
When a person interprets Scriptures literally, things get complicated… but when she interprets Scriptures mystically, things get clearer.

• Human bodies do not die because of Adam’s sin, but because it is good.
• Science is as important as religion. Creation and Scriptures both reveal God.
• A god who demands blood in exchange for mercy is an impostor.
• A god who tortures people because of their religion is a genocidal impostor.
• Allah is the God of Pancho Frijoles… the One and Only God who grants eternal life for free.

 

[civic]

Thus, you are adding another requisite for salvation.
Now it happens that men must accept that the universe and earth were made some 6000 years ago, and not billions of years ago, in order to be forgiven by God and changed into new people…. Because otherwise the foundation of the message of the cross would be “destroyed”.
Please realize the madness and reject it.

The fact is that Christians across all churches accept that the earth was formed billions of years ago, and continue to believe in the message of the cross. Christians like @synergy and the Pope could live with evidence of widespread death among animals and plants before the Fall. That sole fact proves you wrong.

I call all readers of this Forum to stand firm in rejecting the error contained in the proposition I have quoted from @civic in this post.
Our brother @civic is a noble and authentic son of God. The thesis he has arrived to, tough, is false and dangerous.
The message of the cross is fully compatible with an earth of 4500 million years and the widespread presence of death before man.

I call all bible believers on this forum to reject his evolutionism/rationalism and accept the Bible as your authority, not the reasoning and logic of fallen man.

millions of years is false as proven by the Grand Canyon and Mt St Helens. A cataclysm caused both- Noahs flood and the volcano eruption in 1980. Both prove scientific dating is false, a lie, deception. Both prove the Bible to be true and are recent history- 4,000 year ago and 40 years ago.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I call all bible believers on this forum

Bible believers?
Our faith must be founded in God, not in the Bible. Otherwise it is idolatry.
The Word of God is not the Bible. The Bible is one of the ways in which the Word of God is manifested. One of many.
The advise of your grandmother, or your High School text on Chemistry may be as relevant channels of the Word of God as the Epistle to Romans.

Stop making of the Bible a golden calf to worship.
The Bible did not invent God. God invented the Bible, just as He invented earth and you and me.

 

[civic]

Bible believers?
Our faith must be founded in God, not in the Bible. Otherwise it is idolatry.
The Word of God is not the Bible. The Bible is one of the ways in which the Word of God is manifested. One of many.
The advise of your grandmother, or your High School text on Chemistry may be as relevant channels of the Word of God as the Epistle to Romans.

Stop making of the Bible a golden calf to worship.
The Bible did not invent God. God invented the Bible, just as He invented earth and you and me.


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wrong

faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

Romans 10 about how to be saved.

The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,”[d] that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]

14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”[g]

16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”[h] 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

next fallacy.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

millions of years is false as proven by the Grand Canyon and Mt St Helens. A cataclysm caused both- Noahs flood and the volcano eruption in 1980. Both prove scientific dating is false, a lie, deception. Both prove the Bible to be true and are recent history- 4,000 year ago and 40 years ago.

I respectfully ask you to present the scientific published evidence or retract.
Otherwise you are exposing your beliefs as superstitions.

 

[civic]

I respectfully ask you to present the scientific published evidence or retract.
Otherwise you are exposing your beliefs as superstitions.

I can provide dozens upon dozens of articles and all you will do is deny them the same way you deny Jesus is God and the only One who can save anyone from their sins.

 

[civic]

I respectfully ask you to present the scientific published evidence or retract.
Otherwise you are exposing your beliefs as superstitions.

this video alone proves you are wrong- the evidence

 

[civic]

I respectfully ask you to present the scientific published evidence or retract.
Otherwise you are exposing your beliefs as superstitions.

here is one you can read that proves the grand canyon was formed during the flood 4,000 years ago

Four Lessons from the Mount St. Helens Eruption

Forty years later, Mount St. Helens still teaches us lessons about the powerful forces the Creator uses to shape the earth.

answersingenesis.org

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

wrong

faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

The Word of God is not synonym of the Bible, as your pastors have made you believe.
When Paul wrote Romans, the collection of books that we know as “The Bible” did not even exist… there were the Hebrew Scriptures (with ambiguous addition of deuterocanonical writings) that very few people could even read and reflect on independently.
Paul was referring to the oral preaching and its power… to the voice of the Spirit…. a voice from which we have in the Bible only a tiny fraction.


The Bible had a beginning and an end date. The Word of God is eternal
The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Word of God has no language.
The Bible refers to the culture of Middle Estaern and Mediterranean peoples. The Word of God is Chinese, African and Mayan as well.
The Bible is read. The Word of God is seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, reasoned, it most of all, embedded.
The Bible is an instrument, a lamp. The Word of God is God, The Light.
The Bible does not persuades you that God loves YOU, civic, the individual. The Word of God does.

 

[synergy]

One thing does not contradict the other: The Holy Spirit dwells in us… and was manifested in Bahá’u’lláh.
When a person interprets Scriptures literally, things get complicated… but when she interprets Scriptures mystically, things get clearer.

Here you go again trying to cover up Baha'i blasphemous and heretical beliefs. Baha'u'llah explicitly claimed himself to be the Paraclete in no uncertain terms. Baha'u'llah has officially been exposed as not only a 2nd coming of Christ Usurper but a Paraklete (Holy Spirit) Usurper.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Baha'u'llah explicitly claimed himself to be the Paraclete in no uncertain terms.

Yes, he did. He is the Paraclete.
Who is covering it up?

Baha'u'llah has officially been exposed as not only a 2nd coming of Christ Usurper but a Paraklete (Holy Spirit) Usurper.

No. You have exposed your ignorance about what the Paraclete is.
Any god who demands blood in exchange for mercy is an Usurper.

 

[synergy]

Bible believers?
Our faith must be founded in God, not in the Bible. Otherwise it is idolatry.
The Word of God is not the Bible. The Bible is one of the ways in which the Word of God is manifested. One of many.
The advise of your grandmother, or your High School text on Chemistry may be as relevant channels of the Word of God as the Epistle to Romans.

Stop making of the Bible a golden calf to worship.
The Bible did not invent God. God invented the Bible, just as He invented earth and you and me.


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We worship the Word of God (Jesus) and revere the word of God (Bible). Nobody worships ink and paper. That is a strawman on your part. We revere the message of the Bible which neutralizes and exterminates all false teachings such as the Bahai heresy.

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

here is one you can read that proves the grand canyon was formed during the flood 4,000 years ago

Four Lessons from the Mount St. Helens Eruption

Forty years later, Mount St. Helens still teaches us lessons about the powerful forces the Creator uses to shape the earth.

answersingenesis.org

I thank you for the reading and I promise I will read it and take this reading very seriously over the next few days.
in order to prepare my comment, could you please tell me if you have a scientific background or are familiar with scientific methods?

 

[civic]

The Word of God is not synonym of the Bible, as your pastors have made you believe.
When Paul wrote Romans, the collection of books that we know as “The Bible” did not even exist… there were the Hebrew Scriptures (with ambiguous addition of deuterocanonical writings) that very few people could even read and reflect on independently.
Paul was referring to the oral preaching and its power… to the voice of the Spirit…. a voice from which we have in the Bible only a tiny fraction.


The Bible had a beginning and an end date. The Word of God is eternal
The Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The Word of God has no language.
The Bible refers to the culture of Middle Estaern and Mediterranean peoples. The Word of God is Chinese, African and Mayan as well.
The Bible is read. The Word of God is seen, heard, touched, smelled, tasted, reasoned, it most of all, embedded.
The Bible is an instrument, a lamp. The Word of God is God, The Light.
The Bible does not persuades you that God loves YOU, civic, the individual. The Word of God does.

the word of God is Scripture which you deny-

Gods Word is Eternal​

More proof Jesus is God. His words are eternal.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

Psalms 119:160
All your words are true;
all your righteous laws are eternal.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades,
But the word of our God stands forever.

Acts 13:44-50
And the next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy, and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. 46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 "For thus the Lord has commanded us,

'I have placed You as a light for the Gentiles,
That You should bring salvation to the end of the earth.'"

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was being spread through the whole region.

The word of the Lord(Jesus) is the word of God. More proof Jesus is God in Acts.
The word of the Lord, the word of Christ is the same as the word of God. The word of the Lord(Jesus) was spread throughout the book of Acts as the very word of God and they are used interchangeably in Acts. Below we see the word of the Lord = Jesus words are the very words of God. This can be said of no mere man but only a man who is also God as Scripture declares about Christ.

Colossians 3:16
Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you,

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.


2 Thessalonians 3:1-3
Finally, brothers, pray for us that the message of the Lord may spread rapidly and be honored, just as it was with you. 2 And pray that we may be delivered from wicked and evil men, for not everyone has faith. 3 But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen and protect you from the evil one.

1 Peter 1:23-25
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

"All men are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
25 but the word of the Lord stands forever."

And this is the word that was preached to you.

1-Can we say let the word of Paul richly dwell in you
2-Can we say let the word of Peter richly dwell in you
3-Can we say let the word of David richly dwell in you
4-Can we say let the word of Moses richly dwell in you
5- Can we say let the word of Allah richly dwell in you
6- Can we say let the word of Mohammad richly dwell in you
7- Can we say let the word of Baháʼu'lláh richly dwell in you
8- Can we say let the word of the Pope richly dwell in you
9- Can we say let the word of Jospeh Smith richly dwell in you
10- Can we say let the word of @Pancho Frijoles richly dwell in you

the answer to the above is a resounding NO you cannot say it.

But you can say let the word of God, the word of the Lord, the word of Christ richly dwell in you because they have the exact/identical meaning. The Bible is a living book from our living God and Savior Jesus Christ,

hope this helps!!!