Could it be happening now ?

The rebirth, or more precisely, the 'resurrection' of the nation of Israel was prophesied in the Old Testament Book of Ezekiel chapter 37. In this chapter, God is prophesying that Israel will become a nation again in the last days.

Ezekiel 37:12–14, "Therefore prophesy and say to them, 'Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O My people, and brought you up from your graves. I will put My Spirit in you, and you shall live, and I will place you in your own land. Then you shall know that I, the Lord, have spoken it and performed it,” says the Lord."[NKJV].

God promised the Jewish people, who had been scattered from their land, that He would raise the nation from “the dead” (v.1-11) by bringing the Jewish people back to the land He had given them and that they would become a nation once again—in the last days.

On May 14th, 1948 Israel was ‘raised from the dead’ after 1900 years by declaring itself a nation. The above prophecy has already been partially fulfilled (it will be completely fulfilled when Messiah reigns from Jerusalem over the earth during the Millennial Kingdom).
What did the advent of Jesus Christ do toward this?

You're leaving out a very meaningful event. Jews wrote the NT. Jews preached the Gospel to Gentiles..these are the heirs of Abraham through Jesus Christ. Not the faithless. This view is really Calvinistic in nature. This view treat Jews just like Calvinism treats the elect. It grants Jews redemption apart from saving faith on their part.
 
How do you personally keep from becoming less spiritually alert over time.

That is a great question. And one I contemplated 30 years ago. For me, I abandoned the religions and religious philosophies of this world God placed me in and trusted Him and His instruction in righteousness, over my thoughts, my traditions, my works etc. This was and is still not easy to do. And it just so happens that the God of the Bible created a Holy, Sanctified and Set apart Sabbath, specifically created "for men", in which His People are instructed to "fast" from the rigors of this wicked world He placed us in, for our own benefit. He Inspired Isaiah to speak to this "Fast".

Is. 58: 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

It didn't take long to realize that I was the oppressed, bound by the yoke of sin, poor, hungry naked, addicted to wickedness and Pride. It seems God does know what HE is doing.

So in this way, we "wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places", for 6 day stretches, with a break from battle each week, on the Spiritual, Sanctified and made Holy Day, created by God for His People. I don't know how men stay faithful by rejecting His instruction, but I am a weak man prone to Sin, so maybe it is only needful for nobodies like me.

But one thing is for sure, it is the True answer to your question, according to my "reason of use". And I am eternally grateful and humbled, that God has given me, a nobody prone to Sin, His Son to free me from Sin, so I am Free to Serve another, and His Holy Sabbath, to help me "Endure to the End".

 
Apostasy....

When do you all believe apostasy took place? Many today believe that apostasy hasn't taken place yet, I believe this is problematic. It gives people a sense that they are not currently part of the problem themselves. They are looking for apostasy in others.
Apostasy took place right after the death of the apostles. If you recognize this, you must admit that we've had close to 2000 years of apostasy. That we are currently in a time everyone and everything has been completely corrupted to large extent. I realized this a long time ago. That what I saw happen in the Scripture to the early church has been magnified many times over today. This made me question everything I had ever been taught. It was a hard pill to swallow for my theology. It made me work to really know the truth.
 
That is a great question. And one I contemplated 30 years ago. For me, I abandoned the religions and religious philosophies of this world God placed me in and trusted Him and His instruction in righteousness, over my thoughts, my traditions, my works etc. This was and is still not easy to do. And it just so happens that the God of the Bible created a Holy, Sanctified and Set apart Sabbath, specifically created "for men", in which His People are instructed to "fast" from the rigors of this wicked world He placed us in, for our own benefit. He Inspired Isaiah to speak to this "Fast".

Is. 58: 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

It didn't take long to realize that I was the oppressed, bound by the yoke of sin, poor, hungry naked, addicted to wickedness and Pride. It seems God does know what HE is doing.

So in this way, we "wrestle against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places", for 6 day stretches, with a break from battle each week, on the Spiritual, Sanctified and made Holy Day, created by God for His People. I don't know how men stay faithful by rejecting His instruction, but I am a weak man prone to Sin, so maybe it is only needful for nobodies like me.

But one thing is for sure, it is the True answer to your question, according to my "reason of use". And I am eternally grateful and humbled, that God has given me, a nobody prone to Sin, His Son to free me from Sin, so I am Free to Serve another, and His Holy Sabbath, to help me "Endure to the End".
Are you referencing Christ as your Holy Sabbath? If so, then I'm might just shout!
 
What did the advent of Jesus Christ do toward this?

You're leaving out a very meaningful event. Jews wrote the NT. Jews preached the Gospel to Gentiles..these are the heirs of Abraham through Jesus Christ. Not the faithless. This view is really Calvinistic in nature. This view treat Jews just like Calvinism treats the elect. It grants Jews redemption apart from saving faith on their part.

I'm an OSAS Arminian ... not much Calvinism in these bones. Both [Christ- believing] Jew and Gentile presently partake of the spiritual blessings associated with Christ's advent.
 
In fact, according to Scriptures dead men don't even know they are dead.

This is from our perspective not theirs.

It's like saying the earth is flat or the sun rises, and taking it woodenly literally—but this is only true from one perspective.

You would literally have no defense against a flat earther other than to utilize a hypocritical double standard of interpretation.

Jesus very clearly said all live to God, he is not the God of the dead.
 
Are you referencing Christ as your Holy Sabbath? If so, then I'm might just shout!

I was referencing the Words of the Christ, the Holy One of Israel, speaking about the purpose of God's Holy Sabbath Fast. The Jesus of the Bible said to deny myself and follow Him. He didn't say HE made the journey for us, so we didn't have to.
 
Great videos!
There is overwhelming evidence that the Revelation 12 Sign depicted in Rev.12:1-2 took place on September 23/24, 2017.
So what again actually took place on Sept 23,24 in 2017? Can you tell me time stamp on the video or tell me a few brief words?

It would be difficult to even convince many of those students that there is even any actual connection between Calculus 1 and general, elementary, mathematics ... since their understanding of the matter is in reality veiled to their understandings.
But this is what concerns me about interpreting the Bible this way. It doesn't come across as very simplistic.

 
So what again actually took place on Sept 23,24 in 2017? Can you tell me time stamp on the video or tell me a few brief words?


But this is what concerns me about interpreting the Bible this way. It doesn't come across as very simplistic.

You said, "But this is what concerns me about interpreting the Bible this way. It doesn't come across as very simplistic."

Do you really suppose the various truths presented throughout scripture are simplistic?? Biblical predestination, the hypostatic union of Christ, the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's free will are just a few of the many, many concepts that are anything but simplistic in nature.

2 Peter 3:16, "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

You replied, "So what again actually took place on Sept 23,24 in 2017? Can you tell me time stamp on the video or tell me a few brief words?"

In a nutshell, the Revelation 12 Sign fulfilled the prophecy given in Revelation 12:1-2.
 
This is from our perspective not theirs.

It's like saying the earth is flat or the sun rises, and taking it woodenly literally—but this is only true from one perspective.

You would literally have no defense against a flat earther other than to utilize a hypocritical double standard of interpretation.

Jesus very clearly said all live to God, he is not the God of the dead.

So who now is Dead? Has Jesus returned and raised the dead? Is Jesus ruling the earth with Abraham Caleb Zacharias, Peter etc? Has the 1000-year reign begun? Has the wicked been raised for judgment?

If your answer is no, Jesus has not yet returned as Prophesied, then the spirits of all men, are still with God who sent them, awaiting the 2nd Coming in which some will be resurrected. The first death is not permanent, it is the 2nd death that is everlasting. Therefore, as Peter said;

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Will David be resurrected? Yes, and so will Jezebelle. But are they praising God in death? Not according to the Scriptures.

1 Tim. 6: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Now since God is not influenced by the Time Realm He created for us, Time would also, in my view, have no influence on the unconscious spirits HE is preserving for judgment. So when David is resurrected, it will seem to him like a second. Like being placed unconscious in a medical procedure that takes 3 hours. When you wake up, you have no idea how much time has passed.

So I understand this world's religions have created their own traditions regarding death, and the death business is a huge cash cow for many in this world. But if a person considers all that is written in the scriptures, it is clear that the dead are still dead, and they are not praising God in Death. But when the Christ of the Bible returns, there will be a resurrection and those Faithful will be awakened, and they shall Praise God forever more.

Why will all men be raised from the dead? Because God is a God of the Living. It is the second Death that is eternal. At least according to Scriptures, in my view.
 
Paul said that almost every generation until it happens will feel the pressure to think Jesus is just about to return...

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7​

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will
exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s
temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back
will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.



The Antichrist system is at work and has been for centuries.
What has been holding the Antichrist back? The Restrainer = Holy Spirit.

How will the Holy Spirit be taken out of the way?
When the Church is Raptured, who is indwelling all born again believers.

grace and peace ..................
 
Paul said that almost every generation until it happens will feel the pressure to think Jesus is just about to return...

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7​

Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs
and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will
exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s
temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back
will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.



The Antichrist system is at work and has been for centuries.
What has been holding the Antichrist back? The Restrainer = Holy Spirit.

How will the Holy Spirit be taken out of the way?
When the Church is Raptured, who is indwelling all born again believers.

grace and peace ..................
He's telling them that they can know the Day of the Lord has not come yet because they haven't seen the man of lawlessness revealed yet. That's a pretty stupid thing to tell them if they won't be around to see it.
 
He's telling them that they can know the Day of the Lord has not come yet because they haven't seen the man of lawlessness revealed yet. That's a pretty stupid thing to tell them if they won't be around to see it.


Paul was telling them that there will be "antichrists'" living throughout history. Not to become alarmed when they see evil men in control (Nero).
For Paul warned that the system of evil is already functioning in the world.

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back
will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.



But unless they see the real Antichrist? (which Paul described) The day of the Lord could not have happened.
Not that they would be here to see him. But, that fact that they see an antichrist type does not mean the Lord
is about to return, or has returned.

Hitler was restrained by the Holy Spirit. Stalin was also. And, in the past horrible murderous leaders were also restrained.
During WWll certain Christians were preaching that the Lord was about to return then....

And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
Until the Church is raptured to remove the Holy Spirit's presence on earth it will not be the proper time for the Antichrist
to be revealed 'shackle free.' Until then? There will be "antichrists" but not the Antichrist.

For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work...

Its always working! Mankind will always see "antichrists," but not the Antichrist until the Holy Spirit is removed.
 
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You said, "But this is what concerns me about interpreting the Bible this way. It doesn't come across as very simplistic."

Do you really suppose the various truths presented throughout scripture are simplistic?? Biblical predestination, the hypostatic union of Christ, the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's free will are just a few of the many, many concepts that are anything but simplistic in nature.
Well actually I do feel a lot of those things are very simplistic. The story of Gen, Adam and Eve is very simplistic. They were given a choice. That's free will. Only men try to complicate the simple and make it complex. And the hypostatic union. Well yes simplistic too. Just keep it simple. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God, and Jesus set aside his capacity to walk like God in full capacity while on the earth. Just keep it simple.

You replied, "So what again actually took place on Sept 23,24 in 2017? Can you tell me time stamp on the video or tell me a few brief words?"

In a nutshell, the Revelation 12 Sign fulfilled the prophecy given in Revelation 12:1-2.
Still don't get it. Tell me in a nutshell what happened on Sept 23.
 
He's telling them that they can know the Day of the Lord has not come yet because they haven't seen the man of lawlessness revealed yet. That's a pretty stupid thing to tell them if they won't be around to see it.


Right... they won't be around to see it. That is correct!

The lie/rumor they were upset about was what?

2 Thessalonians 2:1-2​
Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him,
we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed
by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth
or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.


The lie/rumor they were upset about was?
That the Rapture had come and they were not in it!

So, Paul tells them?
If that were true?
That they were left behind?
They would be seeing the Antichrist!

The fact that they were not seeing the Antichrist, was to assure
them that they did not miss the Rapture!

That is why Paul explained what he did.
 
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Well actually I do feel a lot of those things are very simplistic. The story of Gen, Adam and Eve is very simplistic. They were given a choice. That's free will. Only men try to complicate the simple and make it complex. And the hypostatic union. Well yes simplistic too. Just keep it simple. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God, and Jesus set aside his capacity to walk like God in full capacity while on the earth. Just keep it simple.



Still don't get it. Tell me in a nutshell what happened on Sept 23.
Here is answers in Genesis response

 
Well actually I do feel a lot of those things are very simplistic. The story of Gen, Adam and Eve is very simplistic. They were given a choice. That's free will. Only men try to complicate the simple and make it complex. And the hypostatic union. Well yes simplistic too. Just keep it simple. God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all God, and Jesus set aside his capacity to walk like God in full capacity while on the earth. Just keep it simple.



Still don't get it. Tell me in a nutshell what happened on Sept 23.
And here is what many think took place. But they missed something which is talking place this Sept in 2023. I'm not saying I'm buying into this but I find it intriguing lol.

 
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