Conservative America's False doctrine (1800's dispensationalism) Support of Israel

Nowhere in the epistle written to the Galatians is Paul writing to ethnic Messiah denying jews!!!
You cannot know the book of Galatians and have this belief.

Galatians 1:1-2,
- and all the brothers and sisters with me, to the churches in Galatia

Paul's letter is to the church!! Not unbelievers.
All of Paul's epistles are written to the church.
 
If one does not know who Israel is today then it is impossible for them to come to the right conclusions on the matter of Americans and support for a middle eastern country that claims to be Gods chosen people.

Paul makes it clear who is now spiritual Israel,
Galatians 6:15-16,
- for neither circumcision(ethnic jews) nor uncircumcision(gentiles) means anything
- BUT A NEW CREATION
- and as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them
- and upon THE ISRAEL OF GOD


Who does Paul say the Israel of God is under the new covenant of Jesus Christ?
Some ethnic group on a piece of land in the middle east that deny their Messiah and do not walk by faith in Christ?
Or those who have been redeemed by the cleasning blood of Jesus for putting their faith, trust, hope, obedience in Him?

I know which the Bible says is Spiritual Israel.
There is both spiritual and physical Israel and you a=have made a false dichotomy fallacy.

Future Bible prophecies for Israel center on a dramatic regathering, a "time of Jacob's trouble," a great final war (Gog of Magog), the revelation and acceptance of the Messiah (Jesus), and the establishment of His eternal kingdom from Jerusalem, marking a spiritual and physical restoration for all nations, though interpretations vary on timing and specifics. Key signs often cited include Israel's return to its land (Ezekiel 37), global conflict against them (Ezekiel 38-39), and a spiritual revival (Zechariah 12) leading to Messiah's reign.

Key Future Prophecies
  1. Regathering & Restoration (Physical & Spiritual):
    • Land: God will bring Israel back to their land from all nations (Ezekiel 37:21-22, Jeremiah 30:3).
    • Nations: Jews will return from the "four corners of the earth," not just Babylon/Persia (Isaiah 11:11-12, 9:12).
    • Spiritual Revival: A spiritual awakening where all Israel recognizes Jesus as Messiah (Zechariah 12:10, Romans 11:26).
  2. Tribulation & Final Wars:
    • Jacob's Trouble: A period of unprecedented distress for Israel (Jeremiah 30:7).
    • Gog & Magog: A massive invasion from the North (Russia/Iran coalition) against a secure Israel, ultimately defeated by God (Ezekiel 38-39).
    • Antichrist: A global leader will rise, setting up an image in a rebuilt Jerusalem temple (Ezekiel 38:16, Revelation).
  3. Messiah's Return & Millennium:
    • Second Coming: Jesus returns in power and glory to establish His kingdom (Zechariah 14:3-5, Isaiah 9:6-7).
    • Throne of David: Jesus rules from Jerusalem, fulfilling promises to King David (Isaiah 2:3-4, Luke 1:32-33).
    • Millennium: A 1,000-year reign of peace, justice, and holiness on Earth, with Israel as a light to the nations (Isaiah 2:2-4, Revelation 20).

Signs of Fulfillment
  • Modern Israel: The physical return of Jews to Israel and making the desert bloom are seen as fulfillment of prophecies like Ezekiel 36 and Isaiah 35, notes YouTube and Quora.
  • Global Conflict: Growing tensions in the Middle East (e.g., involving Iran/Russia) are seen by some as precursors to the Ezekiel 38-39 war, according to Harvest.org.

Key Scriptures (Examples)
  • Ezekiel 37 & 38-39: Dry bones, Gog's invasion.
  • Zechariah 12-14: Gathering against Jerusalem, Messiah's coming, establishing His kingdom.
  • Isaiah 11 & 60-62: Messianic kingdom, Israel as a light.
  • Jeremiah 30-31: Time of Jacob's Trouble, restoration.AI
Deep Dive below:

Future biblical prophecies concerning Israel primarily focus on themes of physical restoration, spiritual awakening, and pivotal global conflicts. According to many interpretations, these events are sequential, beginning with a regathering of the Jewish people and culminating in a messianic era.

1. The Regathering and Physical Restoration
Many theologians believe that the establishment of the modern State of Israel in 1948 marks the beginning of these prophecies.
  • National Rebirth: Isaiah 66:8 is often cited as a prophecy of a nation being "born in a day," which some link to Israel's 1948 independence.
  • Gathering from Nations: Prophets like Ezekiel and Jeremiah spoke of God "gathering" the Israelites from among all nations and bringing them back to their own land.
  • Fertility of the Land: Ezekiel 36:8 predicts the mountains of Israel will "put forth branches and bear fruit" for the returning people, often associated with Israel's modern agricultural development.

2. Major Future Conflicts
The Bible describes several wars and periods of distress involving Israel in the "last days":
  • The War of Gog and Magog: Ezekiel 38-39 describes a massive coalition of nations (including "Persia," modern-day Iran, and "Magog," often identified as Russia) that will attack Israel while it is dwelling securely.
  • The Time of Jacob’s Trouble: Jeremiah 30:7 refers to a period of unprecedented distress for Israel, often associated with the Great Tribulation.
  • The Siege of Jerusalem: Zechariah 12:2-3 and 14:1-2 prophesy that all nations will eventually gather against Jerusalem, which will become a "burdensome stone" that injures those who try to move it.

3. Spiritual Awakening and the Messiah
A central theme of future prophecy is the spiritual turning of the Jewish people:
  • Spiritual Renewal: Ezekiel 36:26-27 promises that God will give the people a "new heart" and put His Spirit within them.
  • Recognition of the Messiah: Zechariah 12:10 describes a future moment when the inhabitants of Jerusalem will "look on me, the one they have pierced" and mourn, interpreted as a national recognition of Jesus as the Messiah.
  • National Salvation: Romans 11:26 states that "all Israel will be saved," following a period of "partial hardening".

4. The Messianic Kingdom
The culmination of these events is the establishment of a global kingdom centered in Jerusalem:
  • Rule from Jerusalem: of the Lord’s house" will be established as the chief of mountains, and the law will go forth from Zion.
  • Era of Universal Peace: The Messiah will rule with justice, leading to a world without war where "the wolf also shall dwell with the lamb" (
  • Final Geography: Zechariah 14 describes topographical changes to Israel, including the Mount of Olives splitting and "living waters" flowing from Jerusalem

hope this helps !!!
 
There is both spiritual and physical Israel and you a=have made a false dichotomy fallacy
I've made it clear who Paul is speaking of when he uses the phrase the Israel of God, Galatians 6:15-16.
I encourage you to read post #20.

Dispensationalist like yourself claim the Israel of God is jews(ethnic) in Israel.

I've made it easy to understand this doctrine from your religion cannot be scripturally correct.

Since you misunderstand who the Israel of God is.
All future interpretation done by your denomination cannot come to the right conclusions.
You must first establish who Paul is referring to in his epistles before you can understand Paul's teaching.

I can tell you with 100% confidence Paul would never bless gospel denying jews with peace because they do not follow the gospel rule. Pay attention and realize only those who follow this rule are blessed.

Galatians 6:15-16,
- neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, what counts it the new creation, peace and mercy to all who follow this rule - to the Israel of God

The Israel of God Paul speaks of can only be the church of the new testament. All those who believe and have obeyed the gospel of Christ.
Only they have been blessed because only they follow this rule. Only they are the new creation.
 
If one does not know who Israel is today then it is impossible for them to come to the right conclusions on the matter of Americans and support for a middle eastern country that claims to be Gods chosen people.

Paul makes it clear who is now spiritual Israel,
Galatians 6:15-16,
- for neither circumcision(ethnic jews) nor uncircumcision(gentiles) means anything
- BUT A NEW CREATION
- and as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them
- and upon THE ISRAEL OF GOD


Who does Paul say the Israel of God is under the new covenant of Jesus Christ?
Some ethnic group on a piece of land in the middle east that deny their Messiah and do not walk by faith in Christ?
Or those who have been redeemed by the cleasning blood of Jesus for putting their faith, trust, hope, obedience in Him?

I know which the Bible says is Spiritual Israel.
Some have also twisted where paul wrote if ye have partaken of their spiritual things
you ought to give to them .
HE was writing about the apostels themselves who were in Jerusalem
and had need of the income .
Notice this was not about the church sending money to the phraisees and that temple system .
It had to do with minstiring unto the apostels and saints that were IN need At Jersualem .
But men messed this up to mean WE should give to a jew just cause they are a natural jew .
But this was not WHO the money was g oing to . IT was going to the apostels and saints AT Jersualem .
They were hidden out in houses and etc . Perseuction and dearth had come upon them .
It had nothing to do with just sending mone y to the nation of israel .
And while its true we dont hate any race etc , ITS t ruly all about the true Spiritual Israel as the Israel of GOD .
 
I've made it clear who Paul is speaking of when he uses the phrase the Israel of God, Galatians 6:15-16.
I encourage you to read post #20.

Dispensationalist like yourself claim the Israel of God is jews(ethnic) in Israel.

I've made it easy to understand this doctrine from your religion cannot be scripturally correct.

Since you misunderstand who the Israel of God is.
All future interpretation done by your denomination cannot come to the right conclusions.
You must first establish who Paul is referring to in his epistles before you can understand Paul's teaching.

I can tell you with 100% confidence Paul would never bless gospel denying jews with peace because they do not follow the gospel rule. Pay attention and realize only those who follow this rule are blessed.

Galatians 6:15-16,
- neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, what counts it the new creation, peace and mercy to all who follow this rule - to the Israel of God

The Israel of God Paul speaks of can only be the church of the new testament. All those who believe and have obeyed the gospel of Christ.
Only they have been blessed because only they follow this rule. Only they are the new creation.
Yes .
Many also do not see this .
Even paul said that not all of israel is of ISRAEL .
And as far as blessed is the blessing and the curses . God would bless them WHEN the followed HIM
but notice when isreal went into rebellion . The curse came upon them .
Many act like Its all about the flesh not the heart . WHEN it comes to the jew anyway .
B ut it has never been the case . GOD always looks UPON the heart , and he seeks the true .
Its why HE even changed the convenant for he was much displeased with them .
Many act like somehow being a jew means an automatic blessing .
JESUS said the flesh pr ofits nothing .
Concerning the ELECT . And who is the elect . THOSE WHOSE FAITH BE IN GOD
thus IN CHRIST . People mess up things .
We need an all out return back to the scriptures and letters the apostels wrote .
To those who do so right understanding will in time come to them .
But so long as men sit under these dispensations and any other doctrines of men
they gonna be in trouble as men continually mix t ruths in with lies .
 
Some have also twisted where paul wrote if ye have partaken of their spiritual things
you ought to give to them .
HE was writing about the apostels themselves who were in Jerusalem
and had need of the income .
Notice this was not about the church sending money to the phraisees and that temple system .
It had to do with minstiring unto the apostels and saints that were IN need At Jersualem .
But men messed this up to mean WE should give to a jew just cause they are a natural jew .
But this was not WHO the money was g oing to . IT was going to the apostels and saints AT Jersualem .
They were hidden out in houses and etc . Perseuction and dearth had come upon them .
It had nothing to do with just sending mone y to the nation of israel .
And while its true we dont hate any race etc , ITS t ruly all about the true Spiritual Israel as the Israel of GOD .
Yes, I believe you are referring to Paul's teaching in Romans 15:27,
- it hath pleased them verily and their debtors they are for if the gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things

These are both born again gentile christians who are "debtors" figuratively because the Jews first delivered the saving gospel to them, Acts 10, Cornelius received the gospel from Peter.

Therefore both groups here are christian believers. I think Paul is teaching here christians are obligated to help other christians in need of physical things, food, clothing, shelter, money etc.

But it would be equally required of both gentile and jewish brothers in Christ.

I dont believe Paul is teaching here that gentiles are commanded to help the physical needs of unbelievers just because of their ethnicity.
 
I've made it clear who Paul is speaking of when he uses the phrase the Israel of God, Galatians 6:15-16.
I encourage you to read post #20.

Dispensationalist like yourself claim the Israel of God is jews(ethnic) in Israel.

I've made it easy to understand this doctrine from your religion cannot be scripturally correct.

Since you misunderstand who the Israel of God is.
All future interpretation done by your denomination cannot come to the right conclusions.
You must first establish who Paul is referring to in his epistles before you can understand Paul's teaching.

I can tell you with 100% confidence Paul would never bless gospel denying jews with peace because they do not follow the gospel rule. Pay attention and realize only those who follow this rule are blessed.

Galatians 6:15-16,
- neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, what counts it the new creation, peace and mercy to all who follow this rule - to the Israel of God

The Israel of God Paul speaks of can only be the church of the new testament. All those who believe and have obeyed the gospel of Christ.
Only they have been blessed because only they follow this rule. Only they are the new creation.
false dichotomy fallacy since there is both a physical Israel with the Jews in their land and the spiritual Israel that is in the church. The book of Revelation is about the physical Israel, the Jews in their land and the future time when they will recognize Christ as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming.

hope this helps !!!
 
Yes .
Many also do not see this .
Even paul said that not all of israel is of ISRAEL .
And as far as blessed is the blessing and the curses . God would bless them WHEN the followed HIM
but notice when isreal went into rebellion . The curse came upon them .
Many act like Its all about the flesh not the heart . WHEN it comes to the jew anyway .
B ut it has never been the case . GOD always looks UPON the heart , and he seeks the true .
Its why HE even changed the convenant for he was much displeased with them .
Many act like somehow being a jew means an automatic blessing .
JESUS said the flesh pr ofits nothing .
Concerning the ELECT . And who is the elect . THOSE WHOSE FAITH BE IN GOD
thus IN CHRIST . People mess up things .
We need an all out return back to the scriptures and letters the apostels wrote .
To those who do so right understanding will in time come to them .
But so long as men sit under these dispensations and any other doctrines of men
they gonna be in trouble as men continually mix t ruths in with lies .
Amen
 
Yes, I believe you are referring to Paul's teaching in Romans 15:27,
- it hath pleased them verily and their debtors they are for if the gentiles have been partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things

These are both born again gentile christians who are "debtors" figuratively because the Jews first delivered the saving gospel to them, Acts 10, Cornelius received the gospel from Peter.

Therefore both groups here are christian believers. I think Paul is teaching here christians are obligated to help other christians in need of physical things, food, clothing, shelter, money etc.

But it would be equally required of both gentile and jewish brothers in Christ.

I dont believe Paul is teaching here that gentiles are commanded to help the physical needs of unbelievers just because of their ethnicity.
Yes indeed my friend .
Many misintepret that ,due to mens teachings , as meaning we ought give to the nation
But as you correctly said , this was about giving to the True saints at Jerusalem .
It was not about sending money to the nation state at all .
Yet many play on this as though this is what is meant . that we must give to jews just because they are jews .
Sure we are to help anyone in need . But that aint even in the same ballpark
as this dispensation mentality of giving to the jewish state .
Paul was talking about the beleivers AT jerusalem . The leaders like barnabas and paul and others
were exhorting the brethren in the churches to have a supply laid up for the need
of their brethren at JERUSALEM . The believers of GOD , which means THEY HAD BELEIVED HIS CHRIST ,
that is YOUR TRUE ISRAEL of GOD . no unbeliever has any part or lott in that . no jew , no gentile
who does not believe IN CHRIST is part of THIS T RUE JERUSALEM , This true ISRAEL
this true Temple which is GOD and the Lamb . its why if folks really did love
the jews and gentiles THEY had been preaching the DIRE NECESSITY TO beleive on CHRIST to them .
But as it seems this group and scores of others are not doi ng so
but rather RUN TO ECUMENCIAL INTERFAITH . WHICH has DENIED The dire need to beleive on CHRIST
and preaches only a false peace and sa fety FOR the world and the middle east , OF earthen Jerusalem .
THEY are being snared to the ulitimate lie of all . More and more ev en beleive
the jews , and yes e ven muslims and others are serving the same GOD . This is all that end hour snare .
 
false dichotomy fallacy since there is both a physical Israel with the Jews in their land and the spiritual Israel that is in the church. The book of Revelation is about the physical Israel, the Jews in their land and the future time when they will recognize Christ as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming.

hope this helps !!!
It's only a false dichotomy IF you don't get which group Paul is speaking of.
I have rightly divided who Paul is speaking of.

I've never denied there is a physical Israel!!! Theres one today I can fly in a plane to.

But that is never the Israel Paul is speaking of in his epistles.
Those people in modern day Israel are not the physical Jewish brethren of Paul that he condems on his missionary journey.
 
It's only a false dichotomy IF you don't get which group Paul is speaking of.
I have rightly divided who Paul is speaking of.

I've never denied there is a physical Israel!!! Theres one today I can fly in a plane to.

But that is never the Israel Paul is speaking of in his epistles.
Those people in modern day Israel are not the physical Jewish brethren of Paul that he condems on his missionary journey.
Speaking of this natural israel
Look at what paul says .
That i might save SOME of them . Paul , as did pe ter and others
always went about preaching JESUS to the synagogues .
The dire need to believe on HIM for to be saved .
Even shaking dust off their feet as a testimony against them as well as any who rejected the gospel .
BUT DO you see that today in this nar led realm
OR even at all with the RCC ecumeinical intefaith which nar does its bidding .
NO sir .
YOU see by nar the idea of its our duty to not only point to the jew
But now look at what they do , WONT preach the true gospel at all .
Rather they teach ITS GODS WILL for us all to have world peace and be one .
NOT GOOD . And i seen what The leaders of this interreligous intefaith dialgoue
told not only JEWISH leaders but leaders in all religoins
WE ALL SERVE the same GOD . JESUS got denied . the need to BELIEVE ON HIM
was DENIED . things will get worse .
You watch . it was the plan of the RCC to sit over the religoins and do so FROM JERUSALEM
and to get this one world lovey do religoin set up as THE religoin of the entire world .
Centered in JERUSALEM .
What we are witnessing is that which is of anti christ
bringing the tribes , religoins , denominations within christendom and all
To b e as one with one common g oal , THAT YOU can bet will serve the one world govt .
And yet all these tribes and tongues , religoins and denominations will beleive
IT IS OF G OD , IT IS HIS WILL .
Guess they forget WHO it was and is that shall DESTROY many through peace .
Guess they forgot how it divides the land for gain .
And how it will make war with the true saints who do not and did not conform .
TO what all the religions of planet earth will soon beleive IS GOD , IS OF GOD , IS HIS LOVE plan for world peace n safety .
And the digital iron yoke system by which this AI , which can produce any IMAGE that can speak
will rule over . and no buy no sell to all who conformed not to its image , of what they will
beleive TO BE GOD . only , YEAH it aint GOD at all . .
 
It's only a false dichotomy IF you don't get which group Paul is speaking of.
I have rightly divided who Paul is speaking of.

I've never denied there is a physical Israel!!! Theres one today I can fly in a plane to.

But that is never the Israel Paul is speaking of in his epistles.
Those people in modern day Israel are not the physical Jewish brethren of Paul that he condems on his missionary journey.
I'm sorry as Paul below makes my case for me about the 2 Israels.

Romans 11
I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2;God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3;“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”4;And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5;So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6;And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7;What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8;as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.
9;And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10;May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”

Ingrafted Branches​

11;Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12;But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!

13;I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14;in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15;For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16;If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17;If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18;do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19;You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20;Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21;For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22;Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23;And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24;After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved​

25;I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26;and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27;And this is
28;As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29;for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30;Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31;so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32;For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

hope this helps !!!
 
false dichotomy fallacy since there is both a physical Israel with the Jews in their land and the spiritual Israel that is in the church. The book of Revelation is about the physical Israel, the Jews in their land and the future time when they will recognize Christ as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming.

hope this helps !!!
Of course there is a physical israel .
There is even a physical jersualem .
And perhaps soon enough even a physical all inclusive temple .
but ask yourself , HOW CHRIST LOVING IS THIS .
I see nothing but rejection of CHRIST and a merger of all religoins .
ITS a set up my friend . its all a snare .
The earthern nations , as well as earthen israel and jerusalem ,
THEY ALL STILL in bondage .
but not THE ONE that is above , mot her to all who do believe IN CHRIST JESUS .
but if we claim to believe we better all make sure WE DO BELEIVE .
because we cant cliam to beleive and yet in any way preach a love of UNBELIEF . which is
NOT the LOVE GOD . NO The LOVE of GOD POINTS ONLY TO JESUS .
The love of GOD does not offer up a lie and make that lie seem as though its love
and create such a broad path . We are being lied to civic .
And g uess what , both leaders of t his people , right and left
RCC and protestant , along with Key imam leaders , key jewish leaders and all key leaders
of all religons are all in on it and merge their peoples only more and more to be as one
under what they all beleive is love . Love and of GOD . ONLY it aint .
 
false dichotomy fallacy since there is both a physical Israel with the Jews in their land and the spiritual Israel that is in the church. The book of Revelation is about the physical Israel, the Jews in their land and the future time when they will recognize Christ as their Messiah at His 2nd Coming.

hope this helps !!!
And yet not all who were born a jew was saved .
Many since the days of the apostels rejected the gospel .
So they were not saved . to say so would be to call JESUS a liar .
What i would suggest we do
is rather than heeding men who for years have constantly preached all israel shall be saved
YET darn sure didnt preach the message that does save ,
IS that we focus on the same gospel message that the true jews like paul , peter and others
did . with the dire warning , REPENT or ye shall surely perish . JUST like they did .
Paul didnt go around trying to preach to the church about ANY mindset of a good ending
for one jus cause they were a jew . HE went around preaching THE DIRE NECESSITY to BELEIVE ON
HE who can save those who DO believe .
I Aint heard that reminder of the gospel in a long time in these ecumenical interfaith churches .
THIS IS the only message i have heard come out of them .
HEY dont judge , hey we all serve the same GOD . NOT GOOD civic . REAL B AD that one is .
 
Of course there is a physical israel .
There is even a physical jersualem .
And perhaps soon enough even a physical all inclusive temple .
but ask yourself , HOW CHRIST LOVING IS THIS .
I see nothing but rejection of CHRIST and a merger of all religoins .
ITS a set up my friend . its all a snare .
The earthern nations , as well as earthen israel and jerusalem ,
THEY ALL STILL in bondage .
but not THE ONE that is above , mot her to all who do believe IN CHRIST JESUS .
but if we claim to believe we better all make sure WE DO BELEIVE .
because we cant cliam to beleive and yet in any way preach a love of UNBELIEF . which is
NOT the LOVE GOD . NO The LOVE of GOD POINTS ONLY TO JESUS .
The love of GOD does not offer up a lie and make that lie seem as though its love
and create such a broad path . We are being lied to civic .
And g uess what , both leaders of t his people , right and left
RCC and protestant , along with Key imam leaders , key jewish leaders and all key leaders
of all religons are all in on it and merge their peoples only more and more to be as one
under what they all beleive is love . Love and of GOD . ONLY it aint .
You forget you were once an enemy of Christ just like them as per Paul in Ephesians 2:1-4

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
 
And yet not all who were born a jew was saved .
Many since the days of the apostels rejected the gospel .
So they were not saved . to say so would be to call JESUS a liar .
What i would suggest we do
is rather than heeding men who for years have constantly preached all israel shall be saved
YET darn sure didnt preach the message that does save ,
IS that we focus on the same gospel message that the true jews like paul , peter and others
did . with the dire warning , REPENT or ye shall surely perish . JUST like they did .
Paul didnt go around trying to preach to the church about ANY mindset of a good ending
for one jus cause they were a jew . HE went around preaching THE DIRE NECESSITY to BELEIVE ON
HE who can save those who DO believe .
I Aint heard that reminder of the gospel in a long time in these ecumenical interfaith churches .
THIS IS the only message i have heard come out of them .
HEY dont judge , hey we all serve the same GOD . NOT GOOD civic . REAL B AD that one is .
Whats not good is you denying Gods plan for Israel, the Jews in Romans 11, Revelation 4-20 and all the prophecies in Ezekiel 39-39, Isaiah, Zechariah and the minor prophets yet to be fulfilled regarding the Jews in their land.

We are in the gap known as the "church" age. The 69th week of Daniel with the 70th week still in the future.

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I would like to reveal 12 key prophecies in the Bible that speak concerning Israel and its people, its future and purpose, and to share that with you today.

Key #1: God’s covenant promise to the Jewish people is forever and unbreakable.

Jeremiah 31: 34-36 says this:

CJB Jeremiah 31:34-36 34 This is what ADONAI says, who gives the sun as light for the day, who ordained the laws for the moon and stars to provide light for the night, who stirs up the sea until its waves roar- ADONAI-Tzva'ot is his name: 35 "If these laws leave my presence," says ADONAI, "then the offspring of Isra'el will stop being a nation in my presence forever." 36 This is what ADONAI says: "If the sky above can be measured and the foundations of the earth be fathomed, then I will reject all the offspring of Isra'el for all that they have done," says ADONAI.

The sun still rises in the morning and the stars still twinkle at night; and in Jeremiah the Lord says these are the sign that Israel remains God’s covenant people and that God’s promise to never permanently reject Israel still stands. St. Paul in the New Testament confirms this Old Testament prophecy in Romans 11:28-32.

CJB Romans 11:28-32 28 With respect to the Good News they are hated for your sake. But with respect to being chosen they are loved for the Patriarchs' sake, 29 for God's free gifts and his calling are irrevocable. 30 Just as you yourselves were disobedient to God before but have received mercy now because of Isra'el's disobedience; 31 so also Isra'el has been disobedient now, so that by your showing them the same mercy that God has shown you, they too may now receive God's mercy. 32 For God has shut up all mankind together in disobedience, in order that he might show mercy to all.

God’s calling for Israel as His covenant people is, says, Paul irrevocable. And it is our job as Messiah’s disciples, he continues, to show Israel mercy so that by doing so, God will show us mercy! So, if for no other reason, it is in our own enlightened self-interest to befriend Israel!

Key #2: God said He would re-establish the nation of Israel in a day.

Israel has been exiled on more than one occasion for gross disobedience and unfaithfulness. However, God also said that at the right time He would bring them back and make them a nation once again. And it would happen in a seemingly impossible way.

CJB Isaiah 66:8-10 8 Who ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Is a country born in one day? Is a nation brought forth all at once? For as soon as Tziyon went into labor, she brought forth her children. 9 "Would I let the baby break through and not be born?" asks ADONAI. "Would I, who cause the birth, shut the womb?" asks your God. 10 Rejoice with Yerushalayim! Be glad with her, all you who love her! Rejoice, rejoice with her, all of you who mourned for her;

Indeed, Israel was re-born in but 1 day. Such a thing had never happened before in history. Literally overnight, by a vote of the UN, on May 14, 1948 Israel was welcomed into the family of nations as an independent Jewish state on the same land that they had been exiled from 1900 years earlier. The cold hard facts of history have proven that these prophecies of God are fulfilled literally, not symbolically and certainly not allegorically. Israel has not been replaced; it has been re-born!

Key #3: The Jews would return to Israel from all over the earth.

Isaiah 11: 10 – 12 promises that the Jews would come from everywhere they have been scattered by God due to their disobedience to one day repopulate the same land that had been theirs since the time of Abraham.

CJB Isaiah 11:10-12 10 On that day the root of Yishai, which stands as a banner for the peoples- the Goyim will seek him out, and the place where he rests will be glorious. 11 On that day Adonai will raise his hand again, a second time, to reclaim the remnant of his people who remain from Ashur, Egypt, Patros, Ethiopia, 'Eilam, Shin'ar, Hamat and the islands in the sea. 12 He will hoist a banner for the Goyim, assemble the dispersed of Isra'el, and gather the scattered of Y'hudah from the four corners of the earth.

The root of Jessie, King David’s father, is the tribe of Judah (the Jews). But let’s be clear on something: the Jewish people only represent 2 of the 12 tribes of Israel. What about the other 10? They were the ones scattered (and supposedly lost) into the Assyrian Empire, Egypt, Cush, and Elam. And this prophecy makes it clear that these 10 tribes will arise and be included in the return.

The first group of Hebrews that came back to their land, and fought to reclaim it, are the European Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. But in the last several years, remnants of those 10 lost tribes have resurfaced, exactly where the Bible says that they would be found. Thousands have been granted the right to come back to Israel and join their Jewish brethren; many of the 10 tribes have immigrated back to their ancestral home after a 2700 year wait. Go to Israel and you will see Israelis of every color and race, and some come from countries many of us have never heard of. But come they have, just as predicted.

Key #4: The returning people will come from the north and the south, and their return from the north will be even greater than the 3 million Israelites that Moses led out of Egypt.

In the book of Jeremiah 16:13 – 16 this matter is addressed in no uncertain terms.

CJB Jeremiah 16:13-16 13 Therefore I am thrusting you out of this land into a land you have not known, neither you nor your ancestors; and there you will serve other gods day and night; for I will show you no favor.' 14 "'Therefore,' says ADONAI, 'the day will come when people will no longer swear, "As ADONAI lives, who brought the people of Isra'el out of the land of Egypt," 15 but, "As ADONAI lives, who brought the people of Isra'el out of the land to the north and out of all the countries where he drove them"; for I will bring them back to their own land, which I gave to their ancestors. 16 "'Look,' says ADONAI, 'I will send for many fishermen, and they will fish for them. Afterwards, I will send for many hunters; and they will hunt them from every mountain and hill and out of caves in the rocks.

Verse 16 is especially interesting as many Jewish organizations have been joined by several Believing groups who have been fishing all over the world, but especially in the north in the former Soviet Union, for Hebrews with the sole purpose of bringing them back to their heritage, the land of Israel. Hebrews who became as captives behind the former Iron Curtain have kept their identities quiet for generations for fear of persecution. Millions of Hebrews have been brought home to Israel, a significant number bring nothing but the clothes on their back. And over the last several years the vast bulk have come from…..you guessed it….the north.

Key #5: God will restore the land; it will be fruitful and more prosperous than any time in history… ever!

CJB Ezekiel 36:1-12 "Now you, human being, prophesy to the mountains of Isra'el. Say: 'Mountains of Isra'el, hear the message from ADONAI. 2 Adonai ELOHIM says: "The enemy is boasting over you, 'Ha! Even the ancient high places are ours now!' "' 3 Therefore prophesy, and say that Adonai ELOHIM says, 'Because they desolated you and swallowed you up from every side, so that the other nations could take possession of you; and now people are gossiping about you and slandering you; 4 therefore, mountains of Isra'el, hear the message of Adonai ELOHIM- this is what Adonai ELOHIM says to the mountains and hills, the streams and valleys, the desolate wastes and the abandoned cities, now preyed on and derided by the other surrounding nations- 5 therefore this is what Adonai ELOHIM says: "In the heat of my jealousy I speak against the other nations and all of Edom, since, rejoicing with all their heart, they have arrogated my land to themselves as a possession and, with utter contempt, seized it as prey."' 6 "Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Isra'el, and say to the mountains, the hills, the streams and the valleys that Adonai ELOHIM says this: 'I speak in my jealousy and fury, because you have endured being shamed by the nations. 7 Therefore thus says Adonai ELOHIM: "I have raised my hand and sworn that the nations surrounding you will bear their shame. 8 But you, mountains of Isra'el, you will sprout your branches and bear your fruit for my people Isra'el, who will soon return. 9 I am here for you, and I will turn toward you; then you will be tilled and sown; 10 and I will multiply your population, all the house of Isra'el, all of it. The cities will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. 11 I will multiply both the human and animal populations, they will increase and be productive; and I will cause you to be inhabited as you were before- indeed, I will do you more good than before; and you will know that I am ADONAI. 12 I will cause people to walk on you, my people Isra'el; they will possess you, and you will be their inheritance; never again will you make them childless."

In the 1860’s Mark Twain visited the former land of Israel, and said this about it: “there was nowhere a foot of shade… it is blistering, naked, treeless… there is no dew, nor flowers, nor trees, nor birds… it is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land.”

Once Israel was exiled the land began to turn fallow and lifeless. When the Arab populations took control, they cut down all the trees because the absentee Arab landlords instituted a taxing method that calculated the amount owed to them according to the number of trees on the leased land. So, the Arabs living in the land cut down all the trees to avoid paying the tax.

But today the land has been reforested; the swamps drained; the rocky fields made fertile. The ancient terraces have been rebuilt and vineyards and orchards now produce some of the finest fruit and wine in the world. Israel is now a net exporter of food, and also exports some 2 billion flowers each year. Are they more prosperous than ever before in history? No doubt.

Key #6: God’s people will have an insatiable love for their land of Israel, and this signals a time of favor for Zion.

Psalm 102: 12 – 18 speaks of this day, which has come in our lifetimes: we are witnesses to it if we have the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

CJB Psalm 102:12-18 12 My days decline like an evening shadow; I am drying up like grass. 13 But you, ADONAI, are enthroned forever; your renown will endure through all generations. 14 You will arise and take pity on Tziyon, for the time has come to have mercy on her; the time determined has come. 15 For your servants love her very stones; they take pity even on her dust. 16 The nations will fear the name of ADONAI and all the kings on earth your glory, 17 when ADONAI has rebuilt Tziyon, and shows himself in his glory, 18 when he has heeded the plea of the poor and not despised their prayer.

“For your servants love her very stones and take pity even on her dust”. It is said that in Israel every Israeli is an archaeologist. The Israeli Jews truly take great pleasure in her stones and even favor the dust. Israel is like an immense archaeological garden. All excavations for roadways, tunnels, new housing tracts and businesses, even gardens in yards are gone through very carefully, usually with an archaeologist present (in the larger projects) to watch for telltale signs of ancient artifacts. Entire Highways are diverted if an ancient town or city is found in its proposed path. That is how much their ancient past means to the Israeli Jews.

Key #7: God will change the heart of His people, Israel, from stone to flesh.

Much had to happen to Israel for God’s plan to play out. But in the divine process of redemption history, God promised to cleanse Israel of their sin and uncleanness before Him. This is specifically foretold in Ezekiel 36. We’ll read just a few verses of this chapter, but I urge you to read it all after this service.

CJB Ezekiel 36:16-29 16 The word of ADONAI came to me: 17 "Human being, when the house of Isra'el lived in their own land, they defiled it by their manner of life and their actions; their way before me was like the uncleanness of niddah. 18 Therefore I poured out my fury on them, because of the blood they had shed in the land and because they defiled it with their idols. 19 I scattered them among the nations and dispersed them throughout the countries; I judged them in keeping with their manner of life and actions. 20 When they came to the nations they were going to, they profaned my holy name; so that people said of them, 'These are ADONAI's people, who have been exiled from his land.' 21 But I am concerned about my holy name, which the house of Isra'el is profaning among the nations where they have gone. 22 "Therefore tell the house of Isra'el that Adonai ELOHIM says this: 'I am not going to do this for your sake, house of Isra'el, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have been profaning among the nations where you went. 23 I will set apart my great name to be regarded as holy, since it has been profaned in the nations- you profaned it among them. The nations will know that I am ADONAI,' says Adonai ELOHIM, 'when, before their eyes, I am set apart through you to be regarded as holy. 24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you from all the countries, and return you to your own soil. 25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your uncleanness and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit inside you; I will take the stony heart out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27 I will put my Spirit inside you and cause you to live by my laws, respect my rulings and obey them. 28 You will live in the land I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God. 29 I will save you from all your uncleanliness. I will summon the grain and increase it, and not send famine against you.

The Lord promised that someday He would gather the scattered Hebrews from all over the planet and return them to their own land, just as they are. And THERE, in the land, He would begin to work on their hearts and change them into a group that He will proudly call “My people”. This has happened to a degree, but it is still an ongoing process as the Lord restores the Hebrews to reflect His glorious purpose for them.

Key #8: God will use gentiles to bless His nation and people, Israel.

Gentiles have always been a useful tool in the Lord’s hand to deal with Israel. In ancient times, God used gentile nations as the instruments to punish God’s people for their rebellion. But, the time arrived when gentiles would be a blessing to God’s people Israel, and Paul speaks about this time in Romans 11.

CJB Romans 11:11-15 11 "In that case, I say, isn't it that they have stumbled with the result that they have permanently fallen away?" Heaven forbid! Quite the contrary, it is by means of their stumbling that the deliverance has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. 12 Moreover, if their stumbling is bringing riches to the world- that is, if Isra'el's being placed temporarily in a condition less favored than that of the Gentiles is bringing riches to the latter- how much greater riches will Isra'el in its fullness bring them! 13 However, to those of you who are Gentiles I say this: since I myself am an emissary sent to the Gentiles, I make known the importance of my work 14 in the hope that somehow I may provoke some of my own people to jealousy and save some of them! 15 For if their casting Yeshua aside means reconciliation for the world, what will their accepting him mean? It will be life from the dead!

And then moving down just a few verses to verse 25:

CJB Romans 11:25-27 25 For, brothers, I want you to understand this truth which God formerly concealed but has now revealed, so that you won't imagine you know more than you actually do. It is that stoniness, to a degree, has come upon Isra'el, until the Gentile world enters in its fullness; 26 and that it is in this way that all Isra'el will be saved. As the Tanakh says, "Out of Tziyon will come the Redeemer; he will turn away ungodliness from Ya'akov 27 and this will be my covenant with them,… when I take away their sins."

God, in His immutable mystery, created a plan that would include gentiles. But the reality is that gentiles would serve the purpose of leading Israel to salvation. Yes, gentiles would also greatly benefit because in the process they would learn of the Jewish Savior Yeshua, and be saved. But the point of the divine plan was to save Israel; and Paul says gentiles should not ever think otherwise and thus become proud. And what else is Replacement Theology but pride and hubris gone mad?

Key #9: God will show the nations that He keeps His promises.

Does God ALWAYS keep His promises? We better hope so, because if you are a Believer, like me, we have bet our brief stay on earth as well as our eternal futures upon it. The Lord has made several promises to Israel.

CJB Ezekiel 36:33-36 33 "Adonai ELOHIM says, 'When the day comes for me to cleanse you from all your guilt, I will cause the cities to be inhabited and the ruins to be rebuilt. 34 The land that was desolate will be tilled, whereas formerly it lay desolate for all passing by to see. 35 Then they will say, "The land that used to be desolate has become like Gan-'Eden, and the cities formerly ruined, abandoned and wasted have been fortified and are inhabited!" 36 Then the nations around you that remain will know that I, ADONAI, have rebuilt the ruins and replanted what was abandoned. I, ADONAI, have spoken; and I will do it.'

If you have visited Israel, you know that this prophecy has been fulfilled. If you haven’t visited, why not? Would you not like to see with your own eyes if God has kept His promises to Israel? If He has not, then why would you think He will keep His promises to you, as a follower of Christ? Go and see it for yourself; it will give you even greater assurance of God’s faithfulness. The Israel we see today is proof that if God says it, He will do it. And it doesn’t matter if the promise concerns Israel, or gentile Believers, or His enemies.

Key #10: Jerusalem will no longer be in the hands of the gentile nations.

Many followers of Yeshua don’t realize that when Israel was reborn as a nation, Israel didn’t receive Jerusalem as part of the bargain. The UN declared Jerusalem to be an international city, open to everyone; but in reality that was a lie. It was essentially left in the hands of the Arab nations, Jordan in particular. In other words, Jerusalem remained controlled by gentile nations. But then in June of 1967, Israel was suddenly attacked by the Arab League and brief, but fateful, war broke out between Israel and her Arab neighbors. The result of the now famous Six-Day war was that Israel captured Jerusalem, and made it, as in times of old, their capital. Jerusalem was now back in the hands of the Jewish people, and it has remained so since then, no matter how hard the world has pushed for Israel to relinquish it. And the pressure to give it up, or share it or split it into East and West Jerusalem is relentless is coming to a head in the next 3 or 4 months. The return of Jerusalem to the Jewish people was a miraculous moment of prophetic fulfillment that gave us a firm mile marker in Redemption history as our march quickens towards the End of Days.

CJB Luke 21:20-28 20 "However, when you see Yerushalayim surrounded by armies, then you are to understand that she is about to be destroyed. 21 Those in Y'hudah must escape to the hills, those inside the city must get out, and those in the country must not enter it. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, when everything that has been written in the Tanakh will come true. 23 What a terrible time it will be for pregnant women and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress in the Land and judgment on the people. 24 Some will fall by the edge of the sword, others will be carried into all the countries of the Goyim, and Yerushalayim will be trampled down by the Goyim until the age of the Goyim has run its course. 25 "There will appear signs in the sun, moon and stars; and on earth, nations will be in anxiety and bewilderment at the sound and surge of the sea, 26 as people faint with fear at the prospect of what is overtaking the world; for the powers in heaven will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with tremendous power and glory. 28 When these things start to happen, stand up and hold your heads high; because you are about to be liberated!"

The event depicted here happened when Rome besieged Jerusalem in 70 A.D. And from 70 A.D. until 1967, Jerusalem was controlled by gentiles and Jews were considered to be squatters. But, says this NT prophecy, eventually Jerusalem will no longer be under the control of gentiles and when that happens it marks the end of “the times of the gentiles”. This has happened, and in fact, it happened over 45 years ago. Verse 26 says people will faint with fear at what seems to be overtaking this world. And when all this comes about then we will see the Son of Man, Messiah Yeshua, coming in the clouds. Folks, the final events have been scheduled, we are eyewitnesses to almost all of it, the clock is ticking, and the nations have no idea what is happening. Maybe your neighbor doesn’t either; nor perhaps your spouse, your children, or your parents. The world’s governments, including our own, are blind to it. So, what are you going to do about that? You owe it to God and to your neighbor to tell them. After that, it’s up to them to reject the truth and become collateral damage, or to accept the truth and seek the Lord.

Key # 11: God will make Jerusalem the focus of the world.

CJB Zechariah 12:1-3 A prophecy, the word of ADONAI concerning Isra'el- here is the message from ADONAI, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth and formed the spirit inside human beings: 2 "I will make Yerushalayim a cup that will stagger the surrounding peoples. Even Y'hudah will be caught up in the siege against Yerushalayim. 3 When that day comes, I will make Yerushalayim a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who try to lift it will hurt themselves, and all the earth's nations will be massed against her.

Then skipping down to verses 10 and 11.

CJB Zechariah 12:10-11 10 and I will pour out on the house of David and on those living in Yerushalayim a spirit of grace and prayer; and they will look to me, whom they pierced." They will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son; they will be in bitterness on his behalf like the bitterness for a firstborn son. 11 When that day comes, there will be great mourning in Yerushalayim, mourning like that for Hadad-Rimmon in the Megiddo Valley.



The Bible makes it clear that Jerusalem is the center of the world; not just spiritually, but tangibly especially as we get nearer to Messiah’s return. Jerusalem, a medium-sized city with a population of fewer than 900,000 souls, causes the entire world to tremble. Our State Department, those of Europe and most Arab countries tell us that the single issue that is behind the rise of fundamentalist violent Islam is Israel, and especially Jerusalem. As it turns out this is not by accident; the Lord has made it so in order to bring things to a climax.

Key #12: God’s people will return, never to be exiled again.

CJB Amos 9:13-15 13 "The days will come," says ADONAI, "when the plowman will overtake the reaper and the one treading grapes the one sowing seed. Sweet wine will drip down the mountains, and all the hills will flow with it. 14 I will restore the fortunes of my people Isra'el; they will rebuild and inhabit the ruined cities; they will plant vineyards and drink their wine, cultivate gardens and eat their fruit. 15 I will plant them on their own soil, no more to be uprooted from their land, which I gave them," says ADONAI your God.

This prophecy has been fulfilled. Israel is back. Any of the scores of millions of pilgrims that have visited Israel know that its hills are producing bountiful harvests, and Israel is world renowned for its wine, just as it was in Christ’s day.

Despite a world that is largely against Israel, with almost every nation on the planet determined to divest Israel of land that the God set apart exclusively for them thousands of years ago, the Scriptures are adamant that although terrible things will happen to Israel and the Jewish people, there will not be another exile. The permanence of their stay is not going to be based on their faithfulness, or on the strength of their army, or on the support of the United States or any other nation; rather it is going to be based on God protecting His name, as a God who always keeps His promises. But we must understand the limitless power that the Lord wields and that He will use it accordingly, especially when it comes to protecting His own holiness and reputation. So, despite how “good” a nation might see itself, or how godly a person might see him or herself, not fully supporting Israel and being against her enemies sets you directly against God, and there will be consequences.

The reality is that Israel is back. The Jews are back, and the so-called 10 Lost Tribes are immigrating back, albeit slowly, as well. The pressure against Israel from the nations of the world is unlike anything we’ve ever seen, and it is not going to get any better. Yet, as Believers we have the duty to stand with Israel, without wavering, even if it pits us against our government, our friends, even our family, and let the chips fall where they may. When I say “we” I mean each of us as individuals. There is no leaving it to the other guy. No blaming our government for our personal lack of zealousness for God’s land and His people. My friends: there remains a blessing for those who bless Israel and curse for those who curse Israel. Standing on the fence, or putting yourself on the sidelines, doesn’t earn you blessing. So, what is left?

Yes; Israel must become very personal to each of us just as our relationship with the Lord is personal to each of us. Nevertheless, God’s Laws, Commandments, and Prophecies apply to us all in perpetuity.torahclass.com

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Forever and unbreakable are misused by dispensationalist theology.

I would like to reveal 12 key prophecies in the Bible that speak concerning Israel and its people, its future and purpose, and to share that with you today.

Key #1: God’s covenant promise to the Jewish people is forever and unbreakable.

Jeremiah 31: 34-36 says this:

CJB Jeremiah 31:34-36 34 This is what ADONAI says, who gives the sun as light for the day, who ordained the laws for the moon and stars to provide light for the night, who stirs up the sea until its waves roar- ADONAI-Tzva'ot is his name: 35 "If these laws leave my presence," says ADONAI, "then the offspring of Isra'el will stop being a nation in my presence forever." 36 This is what ADONAI says: "If the sky above can be measured and the foundations of the earth be fathomed, then I will reject all the offspring of Isra'el for all that they have done," says ADONAI.
Jeremiah 31:36 is often quoted to argue that ethnic Israel must exist as Gods covenant people forever without interruption
But when the verse is read carefully in context, in Hebrew usage and in the covenant for that purpose, it does not teach an unconditional eternal guaranteeof national Israel irrespective of covenant faithfulness.

Jeremiah 31:36,
- if these ordinances depart from before Me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever

Hebrew word forever - olam

The word olam does not always mean "endless eternity"
The meaning:
A long duration
An age
As long as the covenatal arrangement remains in force

Biblical examples were olam ended :
Levitical priesthood,
Exodus 29:9,
- a statute forever/ olam
Yet Hebrews 7:12 says,
- for the priesthood being  changed
there is made of necessity a change of law


Circumsion
Genesis 17:13,
- an everlasting(olam) covenant
Yet Galatians 5:6 says,
- for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision profiteth anything nor uncircumcision buy faith working in love

Temple sacrifices
Leviticus 16:34,
- and this shall be an everlasting staute unto you, to make atonement for the children of Israel..
Yet in Hebrews 10:18 it says,
- now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin

So olam means metaphysical eternity, as long as Gods covenant order remains.
As my article already taught.
Gods covenant with the Jews ENDED,
Romans 11:20,
- because of unbelief they were broken off

Gods rejection is CONDITIONAL based on unbelief not ethnicity.

God rejected Israel as a nation when they rejected their Messiah.
In Jesus' own words,
Matthew 21:43,
- the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth fruits thereof

This is decisive covenant judgment:
The kingdom taken from unbelieving Jews
Given to a new people(believing Jews and gentiles= the new covenant church).
This is the new Israel.

The land promise was part of the old covenant
God tied the land to obedience of the law of Moses.
Deuteronomy 28:1-13,
- if you obey My voice...
Deuteronomy 28:63-64,
- if you do not obey...you will be plucked off the land

The land was never an unconditional eternal racial right!!!!!
It was conditional on covenant faithfulness!!

Jeremiah 31 itself defines the time limit:
Jeremiah 31 is not about preserving old covenant Israel as Civic believes.
Jeremiah 31 is about replacing the old covenant!!!

The context:
Jeremiah 31:31-32,
- I will make a NEW covenant...not like the covenant I made with their fathers,
which they broke


This proves the old covenant ENDED.
Therefore the national structure tied to it ended with it.

Its impossible to make a new covenant not like the former and still keep the former covenant nation intact in the same sense.

NOTICE THIS STATEMENT IT IS CRITICAL!!!!
- Nation before Me
This is covenantal not ethnic
Jeremiah says Israel would not cease to be a nation before Me.

In Scripture a nation before God is...
Defined by covenant standing
NOT by DNA

God explicitly threatened the opposite earlier,
Jeremiah 7:12-15,
- I will cast you out of My sight
Hosea 1:9,
- you are not My people

So Jeremiah cannot mean,
Ethnic Israel will always remain Gods covenant people unconditionally no matter what they do.
THAT WOULD CONTRADICT JEREMIAH HIMSELF, WHICH IS WHAT CIVIC IS GUILTY OF!!!!

The new testament tells us how Jeremiah is fullfilled
The NT explicitly applies Jeremiah 31 to the new testament church.
Hebrews 8:8-13,
- in speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first obsolete...

Obsolete = no longer covenantly valid

Therefore,
The Israel that remains before God forever
Is NEW covenant Israel

Paul explains,
Romans 9:6,
- they are not all Israel who are of Israel

Galatians 3:29,
- and if ye be Christs then are ye(gentiles and Jews who believe in the gospel) Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The offspring of Israel is redefined through Christ!!!!!
Not preserved as an ethnic state!!!

The logic behind Jeremiah 31:36,
The verse is hypothetical.
if(condition) this fixed order departs...

This is rhetorical certainty, not unconditional guarantee.
Meaning,
God will not abandon His covenantal people
But He determines who these people are.

AND HE DOES!!!! -----THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST!!!!

Conclusion, Why Jeremiah 31:36 is not ethnic Israel:
olam does not mean unending eternity as the dispensationalists what you to believe
Old covenant institutions ended
Jeremiah 31 announces covenant replacement
Nation before Me, is covenantal status

And last...
ISRAEL IS REDEFINED BY PAUL THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST!!!

Therefore Jeremiah 31:36 guarantees the perpetuity of Gods covenant people not the perpetuity of ethnic Israel under the old covenant.

The promise becomes the whole world not ethnic group based upon those who believe and are saved IN Christ,
Romans 4:13,
- for the promise that he should be heir of the world was not to Abraham through the law,

but through the righteousness of faith(the new testament gospel of Christ)


the promise is no longer land based but union based with Christ.

the land promise was fulfilled expired, as a covenant sign and is finally consummated in Christ as the inheritance of the whole renewed creation.
 
Forever and unbreakable are misused by dispensationalist theology.


Jeremiah 31:36 is often quoted to argue that ethnic Israel must exist as Gods covenant people forever without interruption
But when the verse is read carefully in context, in Hebrew usage and in the covenant for that purpose, it does not teach an unconditional eternal guaranteeof national Israel irrespective of covenant faithfulness.

Jeremiah 31:36,
- if these ordinances depart from before Me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever

Hebrew word forever - olam

The word olam does not always mean "endless eternity"
The meaning:
A long duration
An age
As long as the covenatal arrangement remains in force

Biblical examples were olam ended :
Levitical priesthood,
Exodus 29:9,
- a statute forever/ olam
Yet Hebrews 7:12 says,
- for the priesthood being  changed
there is made of necessity a change of law


Circumsion
Genesis 17:13,
- an everlasting(olam) covenant
Yet Galatians 5:6 says,
- for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision profiteth anything nor uncircumcision buy faith working in love

Temple sacrifices
Leviticus 16:34,
- and this shall be an everlasting staute unto you, to make atonement for the children of Israel..
Yet in Hebrews 10:18 it says,
- now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin

So olam means metaphysical eternity, as long as Gods covenant order remains.
As my article already taught.
Gods covenant with the Jews ENDED,


Jeremiah 31 itself defines the time limit:
Jeremiah 31 is not about preserving old covenant Israel as Civic believes.
Jeremiah 31 is about replacing the old covenant!!!

The context:
Jeremiah 31:31-32,
- I will make a NEW covenant...not like the covenant I made with their fathers,
which they broke


This proves the old covenant ENDED.
Therefore the national structure tied to it ended with it.

Its impossible to make a new covenant not like the former and still keep the former covenant nation intact in the same sense.

NOTICE THIS STATEMENT IT IS CRITICAL!!!!
- Nation before Me
This is covenantal not ethnic
Jeremiah says Israel would not cease to be a nation before Me.

In Scripture a nation before God is...
Defined by covenant standing
NOT by DNA

God explicitly threatened the opposite earlier,
Jeremiah 7:12-15,
- I will cast you out of My sight
Hosea 1:9,
- you are not My people

So Jeremiah cannot mean,
Ethnic Israel will always remain Gods covenant people unconditionally no matter what they do.
THAT WOULD CONTRADICT JEREMIAH HIMSELF, WHICH IS WHAT CIVIC IS GUILTY OF!!!!

The new testament tells us how Jeremiah is fullfilled
The NT explicitly applies Jeremiah 31 to the new testament church.
Hebrews 8:8-13,
- in speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first obsolete...

Obsolete = no longer covenantly valid

Therefore,
The Israel that remains before God forever
Is NEW covenant Israel

Paul explains,
Romans 9:6,
- they are not all Israel who are of Israel

Galatians 3:29,
- and if ye be Christs then are ye(gentiles and Jews who believe in the gospel) Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

The offspring of Israel is redefined through Christ!!!!!
Not preserved as an ethnic state!!!

The logic behind Jeremiah 31:36,
The verse is hypothetical.
if(condition) this fixed order departs...

This is rhetorical certainty, not unconditional guarantee.
Meaning,
God will not abandon His covenantal people
But He determines who these people are.

AND HE DOES!!!! -----THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST!!!!

Conclusion, Why Jeremiah 31:36 is not ethnic Israel:
olam does not mean unending eternity as the dispensationalists what you to believe
Old covenant institutions ended
Jeremiah 31 announces covenant replacement
Nation before Me, is covenantal status

And last...
ISRAEL IS REDEFINED BY PAUL THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST!!!

Therefore Jeremiah 31:36 guarantees the perpetuity of Gods covenant people not the perpetuity of ethnic Israel under the old covenant.

The promise becomes the whole world not ethnic group based upon those who believe and are saved IN Christ,
Romans 4:13,
- for the promise that he should be heir of the world was not to Abraham through the law,

but through the righteousness of faith(the new testament gospel of Christ)


the promise is no longer land based but union based with Christ.

the land promise was fulfilled expired, as a covenant sign and is finally consummated in Christ as the inheritance of the whole renewed creation.
There is no land expiration you made that up.
 
There is no land expiration you made that up.
When you know the truth there is no need to make stuff up.
The truth always prevails.

The covenant you are discussing includes the land promise.
If you dont know this you should not be telling me I'm wrong.

Exodus 6:4-5,
- I have established My covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan
 
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