Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

[Peterlag]

I find it interesting listening to blind people discussing the beauty of the shapes and textures of clouds.

Terms found nowhere in Scripture...

• Deity
• Co-equal
• Co-eternal
• Incarnated
• Eternal son
• Infinite son
• God the son
• One substance
• Persons of God
• God became man
• Eternally begotten
• Pre-existent Christ
• God the Holy Spirit
• Pre-incarnate Christ
• Three persons, three in one
• Trinity, Triune God, Tri-unity
• Two nature's, Hypostatic union

Or any combination of 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person.

No, I don't want to see the word trinity in the Bible...

I want to see the trinity doctrine taught in the Bible and if it's not taught by the Jews and that means the Old Testament Prophets and not the unbelieving Jews you guys always throw in my face. And if it's not taught in the New Testament. Then it's not a biblical concept.

I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.

One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.

 

[amazing grace]

I find it interesting listening to blind people discussing the beauty of the shapes and textures of clouds.

What did Peter say when the disciples were asked by Jesus "who did you say that I am?"
And Peter responded "You are God incarnate, the second person of the Trinity, a hypostatic union of divine and human nature!"
NOT --- Peter responded "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

What does John want us to know and believe about the identity of Jesus? What was the purpose statement of John's gospel?
but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name......... It seems he wants us to know that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.

What is the main contention among the people concerning Jesus in the gospel of John?

“Is not this the man whom they seek to kill? ........Can it be that the authorities really know that this is the Christ? ........When they heard these words, some of the people said, “This really is the Prophet.” Others said, “This is the Christ.” But some said, “Is the Christ to come from Galilee? Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the offspring of David, and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” So there was a division among the people over him. They didn't have contention over whether he was God or not. Their contention was 'is this man the Christ or is he not the Christ'? Is he checking all the boxes of prophecy such as being the son of David and being from Bethlehem.

It seems that some are blind and prefer discussing the beauty of the shapes and textures of clouds.

 

[Rockerduck]

Terms found nowhere in Scripture...

• Deity
• Co-equal
• Co-eternal
• Incarnated
• Eternal son
• Infinite son
• God the son
• One substance
• Persons of God
• God became man
• Eternally begotten
• Pre-existent Christ
• God the Holy Spirit
• Pre-incarnate Christ
• Three persons, three in one
• Trinity, Triune God, Tri-unity
• Two nature's, Hypostatic union

Or any combination of 1st person, 2nd person, 3rd person.

No, I don't want to see the word trinity in the Bible...

I want to see the trinity doctrine taught in the Bible and if it's not taught by the Jews and that means the Old Testament Prophets and not the unbelieving Jews you guys always throw in my face. And if it's not taught in the New Testament. Then it's not a biblical concept.

I would like one verse that actually calls Jesus God the Son.

One verse that actually says Jesus is a god-man.
One verse that actually says we must believe Jesus is God.
One verse that actually says we must believe God is three persons.
One verse out of approximately 31,102 Bible verses that says God is Triune.
One verse that actually says Jesus is both 100 percent God and 100 percent man.
One verse that actually says Jesus is God because if it's that important of a doctrine it should have been plainly and clearly taught by someone somewhere.

Are you 100% sure, without a doubt, positively knowing that if you were to die today, would you be in Heaven?

 

[Runningman]

I find it interesting listening to blind people discussing the beauty of the shapes and textures of clouds.

Jesus often spoke in parables to those who were not his disciples (Matt 13:13) but revealed plainly his teachings to his disciples, something even the prophets of old "longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it..." (Matt 13:16,17) So if God is a trinity, the prophets had no idea about that because they couldn't see it. If Jesus revealed the trinity plainly in the NT, he never once mentioned it to his disciples, contrary to your claims.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

If the Trinity was the central claim by Jesus and the NT --- Why itsn't it more obvious?

Seems totally obvious to me!!! What makes you think that the "Trinity" is the "Central Claim" by Jesus???

ESSENIALLY, neither you NOR I (Nor anybody else) really has any actual understanding of the totality of God, so it's all nothing more than "Theology". Jesus was specific - pray to FATHER, in Jesus' Name (With Jesus' authority). So that's what I do.

 

[Doug Brents]

Jesus often spoke in parables to those who were not his disciples (Matt 13:13) but revealed plainly his teachings to his disciples, something even the prophets of old "longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it..." (Matt 13:16,17) So if God is a trinity, the prophets had no idea about that because they couldn't see it.

I have said this many times.

If Jesus revealed the trinity plainly in the NT, he never once mentioned it to his disciples, contrary to your claims.

John 1 says differently.
John 10:30 says differently.
John 20:28 says differently.
Rom 9:5 says differently.
Tit 2:13 says differently.
Heb 1:8 says differently.
Heb 1:10 says differently.
Col 2:9 says differently.
2 Pet 1:1 says differently.
Here we have Peter, Paul, John, and the author of Hebrews stating explicitly that Jesus is God. Your point is disproved (again).

 

[Peterlag]

Are you 100% sure, without a doubt, positively knowing that if you were to die today, would you be in Heaven?

I like you would be extremally in shock to learn that Jesus is not God and that some or many who believe he is just might not make heaven.

 

[amazing grace]

Seems totally obvious to me!!! What makes you think that the "Trinity" is the "Central Claim" by Jesus???

I am glad that it is obvious to you ---- it is illogical to me. I don't consider the Trinity to be the central claim made by Jesus, the people around him nor his disciples. I believe the central claim made by Jesus is that he is the Christ, the Son of God.

ESSENIALLY, neither you NOR I (Nor anybody else) really has any actual understanding of the totality of God, so it's all nothing more than "Theology".

Are you saying that 'theology', the study of God and religious beliefs, is meaningless because we will never 'know' God?
We have full knowledge and understanding from scripture what God gives us to know of him and we are to seek wisdom and understanding to find knowledge of him.

making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding; [Pro. 2:2-6]

Jesus was specific - pray to FATHER, in Jesus' Name (With Jesus' authority). So that's what I do.

Although totally off topic ---- I agree that that is the formula for prayer.

 

[Runningman]

I have said this many times.

John 1 says differently.
John 10:30 says differently.
John 20:28 says differently.
Rom 9:5 says differently.
Tit 2:13 says differently.
Heb 1:8 says differently.
Heb 1:10 says differently.
Col 2:9 says differently.
2 Pet 1:1 says differently.
Here we have Peter, Paul, John, and the author of Hebrews stating explicitly that Jesus is God. Your point is disproved (again).

Those don't reveal the trinity just because you said they reveal they trinity. You would have to actually show where the trinity is mentioned in the Bible, something God didn't do, something Jesus or the other prophets didn't do, something the disciples never did, something you can't do no matter how hard you try. You will always be escorted back to square one and asked "Where is God described as a trinity succinctly and plainly?"