brightfame52
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You know this isnt a Trinity thread. This thread is about what is called today calvinism, is really the Gospel
Calvinism is Gospel !
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Calvinism is Augustine's gospel not God's.
brightfame52
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FreeInChrist
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@brightfame52 ...First you said
Then you said
You never answered me but I am waiting no longer.....
Because if you truly believe in Calvinism, and you truly believe in Tulip....IT IS A MUST YOU BELIEVE IN THE FOLLOWING... (I provided many links so you can see it is not just one persons idea.) And therefore this thread should include it.
John Calvin taught that the Trinity consists of one God in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, emphasizing their unity and equality. He believed that understanding the Trinity was essential for grasping the nature of salvation and the deity of Jesus Christ.
Calvin's teachings on the Trinity were foundational to his theology and the Reformed tradition, emphasizing both the unity of God's essence and the distinct roles of each person in the Godhead.
https://www.newcreationlibrary.org.au/books/pdf/284_Calvin-Trinity.pdf
Calvin’s Mystery of the Trinity
https://jesusisworthy1.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/calvins-view-of-the-trinity-2/
Calvin's View of the Trinity
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.iii.xiv.html
THE UNITY OF THE DIVINE ESSENCE IN THREE PERSONS TAUGHT, IN SCRIPTURE, FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/warfield/warfield_calvintrinity.html
Calvins Doctrin of the Trinity
https://cf.sbts.edu/equip/uploads/2017/09/SBJT-21.2-Calvin-on-the-Trinity-Haykin.pdf
Here there is not only a solid declaration of the Trinity, but Calvin is also quite happy to express this declaration by means of non-biblical terms ham-mered out in the debates about the Trinity in the fourth century, namely ousia ("being") and hypostasis ("subsistence").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_John_Calvin
https://etheses.dur.ac.uk/11397/
Lifting up to Himself: John Calvin's Doctrine of the Trinity and Its Implications for the Lord's Supper and Worship
https://adfontesjournal.com/steven-wedgeworth/is-there-a-calvinist-doctrine-of-the-trinity/
Is there a Calvinist Doctrine of the Trinity
So you believe Calvinism is the Gospel Truth...... YOU MUST ACCEPT THE TRINITY.
Then you said
You never answered me but I am waiting no longer.....
Because if you truly believe in Calvinism, and you truly believe in Tulip....IT IS A MUST YOU BELIEVE IN THE FOLLOWING... (I provided many links so you can see it is not just one persons idea.) And therefore this thread should include it.
John Calvin taught that the Trinity consists of one God in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, emphasizing their unity and equality. He believed that understanding the Trinity was essential for grasping the nature of salvation and the deity of Jesus Christ.
Calvin's teachings on the Trinity were foundational to his theology and the Reformed tradition, emphasizing both the unity of God's essence and the distinct roles of each person in the Godhead.
https://www.newcreationlibrary.org.au/books/pdf/284_Calvin-Trinity.pdf
Calvin’s Mystery of the Trinity
https://jesusisworthy1.wordpress.com/2014/12/22/calvins-view-of-the-trinity-2/
Calvin's View of the Trinity
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.iii.xiv.html
THE UNITY OF THE DIVINE ESSENCE IN THREE PERSONS TAUGHT, IN SCRIPTURE, FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/warfield/warfield_calvintrinity.html
Calvins Doctrin of the Trinity
https://cf.sbts.edu/equip/uploads/2017/09/SBJT-21.2-Calvin-on-the-Trinity-Haykin.pdf
Here there is not only a solid declaration of the Trinity, but Calvin is also quite happy to express this declaration by means of non-biblical terms ham-mered out in the debates about the Trinity in the fourth century, namely ousia ("being") and hypostasis ("subsistence").
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology_of_John_Calvin
https://etheses.dur.ac.uk/11397/
Lifting up to Himself: John Calvin's Doctrine of the Trinity and Its Implications for the Lord's Supper and Worship
https://adfontesjournal.com/steven-wedgeworth/is-there-a-calvinist-doctrine-of-the-trinity/
Is there a Calvinist Doctrine of the Trinity
So you believe Calvinism is the Gospel Truth...... YOU MUST ACCEPT THE TRINITY.
brightfame52
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Calvinism, the Tulip Truths are Gospel Truths!
FreeInChrist
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As is Calvins view on the Trinity. If you are into Calvinism you cannot pick and chose what you will believe.
No, you did not, and you ignored all these verses that state who Christ died for.
Christ died for all these
1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
1 Cor 8:11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Note Christ died for more than those you claim
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
All men are greater in number than just believers.
Christ died for all, not just the elect.
Finally, contrary to your man-made doctrine, it is only those who believe who are saved.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 11:25–26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Sadly, you are not a believer of all scripture and only affirm what a man-made doctrine affirms.
brightfame52
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You are a denier of the word of God
You ignored all these verses that state who Christ died for.
Christ died for all these
1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
1 Cor 8:11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Note Christ died for more than those you claim
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
All men are greater in number than just believers.
Christ died for all, not just the elect.
Finally, contrary to your man-made doctrine, it is only those who believe who are saved.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 11:25–26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Sadly, you are not a believer of all scripture and only affirm what your man-made doctrine affirms.
brightfame52
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Limited atonement is a Gospel Truth
A plain lie
You ignored all these verses that state who Christ died for.
Christ died for all these
1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
1 Cor 8:11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Note Christ died for more than those you claim
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
All men are greater in number than just believers.
Christ died for all, not just the elect.
Finally, contrary to your man-made doctrine, it is only those who believe who are saved.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 11:25–26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Sadly, you are not a believer of all scripture and only affirm what your man-made doctrine affirms.
FreeInChrist
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brightfame52
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Oh no its the truth. To preach or teach that Jesus Christ died for all mankind is a false gospel and false christ. Its that serious. And to fail to teach that Christs death actually saved them He died for, is a gospel breach.
The fact you never address the scriptures posted shows your claim is false
A plain lie
You ignored all these verses that state who Christ died for.
Christ died for all these
1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.
2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.
1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.
John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
1 Cor 8:11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.
2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
Note Christ died for more than those you claim
1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
All men are greater in number than just believers.
Christ died for all, not just the elect.
Finally, contrary to your man-made doctrine, it is only those who believe who are saved.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
John 11:25–26 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
John 20:31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 2:8–9 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
Rom 3:22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Cor 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Heb 10:39 But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul.
Sadly, you are not a believer of all scripture and only affirm what your man-made doctrine affirms.
Brightfame52 just does not believe the whole of scripture
FreeInChrist
Active Member
It is false.
Scripture never defines the gospel as a particular atonement extent theory. The gospel is that Jesus Christ died for sins, was buried, and rose again (1 Cor. 15:1–4). Faith is in Christ Himself, not in a later theological system.
While I affirm that Christ’s death actually saves all for whom it was intended, Scripture also plainly states that He died for the world (John 3:16), tasted death for everyone (Heb. 2:9), and that the gospel is to be preached to all without distinction.
To declare that all who say “Christ died for all” are preaching a false gospel goes beyond Scripture and condemns believers whom God has not condemned. The apostles never required agreement on the extent of the atonement as a test of the gospel — only faith in the crucified and risen Christ.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
Yep.... and that is scary in itself because I do not think he has exegeted any texts for himself but has followed the pattern he was taught or that someone told him..... And to me that is worse then never reading scriptures and truly seeing what is there.... even if you get it wrong and are willing to be corrected.
brightfame52
Active Member
I have told you and many others have told you and been over all those verses with you one time or another over the years. They all apply to the elect, thats it
brightfame52
Active Member
No its true
