Calvinism is Gospel !

[TomL]

Can we Preach Christ without preaching Election ? 1 Cor 15:3-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: or

1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.


Isnt Election in Christ ?

Dont the elect and Christ form one ?

Can there be a Christ without a elect body or Church ?

Christ died for all

1 Tim 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

1 John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Heb 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Rom 5:18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.

2 Cor 5:19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1 Tim 4:10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,

Isa 53:6 All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Rom 14:15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.

1 Cor 8:11 For through your knowledge he who is weak is ruined, the brother for whose sake Christ died.

2 Pet 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

 

[brightfame52]

Nowhere in the Bible is the gospel mentioned with election , you made that up

Nowhere to you is the gospel mentioned with election. I see it in the passage I just quoted

 

[brightfame52]

we don't need to preach. Souls hear Christ not preachers

Rom 10 14-15

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

 

[brightfame52]

Once again there is no unconditional election in the bible.

Election is of Grace and not of works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for all

All the elect given Him Jn 6:37

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out

He died only for all them that believe, that come to Him

 

[FreeInChrist]

Can we Preach Christ without preaching Election ? 1 Cor 15:3-4

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: or

1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.


Isnt Election in Christ ?

With out faith in Christ you cannot be saved.

Dont the elect and Christ form one ?

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit form one.

Can there be a Christ without a elect body or Church ?

No — Scripture never presents Christ as existing because there is an elect body, but rather the exact opposite: the Church exists because there is a Christ. He is eternal, self-existent, and complete in Himself (John 1:1–3; Col. 1:16–18). The Head is not dependent on the body; the body is created, called, and sustained by the Head. Christ was the Son before the Church ever existed, and He would still be God if no one were saved. The Church is the result of His redemptive work, not a necessary component of His identity. So the elect do not make Christ whole — Christ graciously gives life to the elect.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Election is of Grace and not of works/conditions Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

And if the elect come not to faith, which is by choice as scriptures you have been given then
the elect will be impeached and removed.....

 

[Behold]

Real Christians lead people to Christ.

Calvinists lead people to Calvinism.

These are not the same, and a real Christian understands the difference.

 

[brightfame52]

With out faith in Christ you cannot be saved.

Faith in Christ is given by God when He saves us. Thats a Gospel Truth that should be preached. Peter preached repentance is given by the risen exalted Christ Acts 5 31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

 

[Behold]

God does not force or cause anyone to become a Christian.
He only invites you to believe, having revealed the Truith to you..... and if you will believe, then "our faith is counted by God as (Christ's righteousness)".

A.) "Justification BY... Faith".

 

[brightfame52]

And if the elect come not to faith,

Thats impossible

 

[Behold]

Faith in Christ is given by God when He saves us.

Never.

God never gives anyone faith, and that is because we are all born with faith.......we have it....and WE decide where we put it.
We decide what we believe.
God does not decide what you believe........ YOU DO.
God requires OUR Faith to then justify us by OUR faith.

Its "Justification by faith"............not """Justification by HIS FAITH He forces you to have", as the Lying Hyper Calvinists teach.

The Devil's Lie teaches that you are born again in sin, to then be able to have Faith in Christ.

So, that is teaching that God joins himself to a sinner, unforgiven, so that they can afterwards have faith in Christ.
This is a Satanic teaching,.... as noone is born again BEFORE they. have trusted in Christ.....yet that is what Crazy HyperCalvinism teaches.

 

[brightfame52]

Never.

Yeah He gives both Faith in Christ and repentance. Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Thats the Gospel of an Apostle

 

[FreeInChrist]

Yeah He gives both Faith in Christ and repentance. Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Thats the Gospel of an Apostle

You are so wrong.... but even at that quit saying He gives both Faith in Christ and repentance. Phil 1:29.

It says not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

It says naught about turning ( repenting) from their sins.... And even if it did no one can give repentence... it is done by ones self.... they have to turn.... YOUR WORDING IS HORRIBLE.

Philippians 1:29 doesn’t say God believes for you. It says it’s been graciously granted the privilege to believe — and to suffer — for Christ.

If “granted” means God irresistibly causes faith, then you’d also have to say He irresistibly causes suffering too, since both are in the same sentence. That logic falls apart pretty fast.

Paul’s point isn’t that God injects faith into people. It’s that belonging to Christ — even suffering for Him — is a gift of grace.

Scripture constantly commands people to repent and believe. Commands only make sense if an actual response is possible. Otherwise we’re just pretending people have a choice.

God calls, enables, and invites.
We respond.

That’s biblical. The rest is theology layered on top.

 

[civic]

Nowhere to you is the gospel mentioned with election. I see it in the passage I just quoted

Nowhere in scripture, nice dodge which is exactly why you did not post any scripture

 

[brightfame52]

You are so wrong

Lol I just gave you scripture.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Nowhere to you is the gospel mentioned with election. I see it in the passage I just quoted

Just like we see what you dont when we site various scriptures.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Lol I just gave you scripture.

Yes it is that scripture you cave that you are wrong about because it does not say what you see

 

[brightfame52]

Nowhere in scripture, nice dodge which is exactly why you did not post any scripture

Nowhere to you, Im not you and you not me, i see truths in scripture you dont see, and you see things in scripture I never seen. And i did post scripture I see it in, i just posted it, didnt you read the post ? You responded to it

 

[brightfame52]

Just like we see what you dont when we site various scriptures.

Exactly