civic
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yes tulip is a rabbit trail to make people go off track from the true Gospel message.
Calvinism is Gospel !
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brightfame52
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Tulip truths comprehend the Gospel of God's Grace
civic
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no they are a rabbit trail to take our eyes off of the gospel of Christ and His love for all the world for whom He died and made atonement. John 3:16, 1 John 2:2
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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They're the epitome of God's Grace in Salvation. Unconditional Electon of Grace, that is Salvation by Grace
civic
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nope it legalism, no grace at all.
FreeInChrist
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Careful you don't fall into the hole like Alice did.
You do know that AI is not the opinion of any one. They take the data they have and answer.
You call it false... if I gave you from the other sources you would scream heretics.
It is truly a shame that you are so tied into you unflexible belief system that you simply cannot see or
understand that God is in everything. Nothing ever happens that He at some point has not started in history and
before. But God is a loving, merciful Father to us. He is also patient... MAN IS HE PATIENT... the story I could tell
would blow your mind.... but I best keep it between Him and me.
We only disagree on one little thing. You believe your name was written in the book of life before you were every
thought of. And because of that you believe... leave the bible out of it.... for a bit.... that means you were predestined
and actually was saved before you had your belief/faith.
I too, believe my name is in the book of life. And based on scriptures believe that was before time began.
Yet... Some people point to Revelation 3:5 as “proof” that a person can lose his salvation. However, the promise of Revelation 3:5 is clearly that the Lord will not erase a name: “He who overcomes . . . I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life.” An overcomer is one who is victorious over the temptations, trials, and evils of this world—in other words, one who is redeemed. The saved are written in God’s registry and have the promise of eternal security.
But this Got? paragraph sure points to the fact that some might be blotted out.... unless he Overcomes.....
Who needs to overcome? The Free Will people who are going to do it "My Way."
You and I are at the same point in history. It is just that how we started and how we will end is at odds.
FreeInChrist
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ONLY IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ONE OF THE ONES CHOSEN.
IF NOT.... THEN INTO YOUR AVATAR THEY WILL GO.
brightfame52
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Those truths comprehend why Salvation is all of Grace.
civic
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grace is a misnomer just like dead in calvinism-
brightfame52
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Being of God's Elect isn't luck
FreeInChrist
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Well tell me @brightfame52 ... What is it that you did before the beginning of time that guaranteed you to be one of the ELECT?
God chose the human Spirits that he named them as the name was written so that whatever body that spirit made it into
was an elect?
Your name was written before He knew you.
The fact that you got that name is by chance .... no other way
If it were unconditional, it would surely be
FreeInChrist
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Yep.
Especially as one could have been unconditionally determined to everlasting punishment.
FreeInChrist
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I would druther take my chances on my believing or not.
Interesting reading out there if you ask "when God was selecting people for predestination how did he choose"
Ai~
God's choice in predestination is often understood as being based on His own purposes and will, rather than on any actions or merits of the individuals. Some beliefs suggest that God foreknows who will accept His grace, while others assert that He elects individuals without regard to their future choices.
Got ?
Simply put, the “elect of God” are those whom God has predestined to salvation. They are called the “elect” because that word denotes “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” Every four years in the U.S., we “elect” a President—i.e., we choose who will serve in that office. The same goes for God and those who will be saved; God chooses those who will be saved. These are the elect of God.
Interesting to note that while Got ? is basically a full steam ahead predestined believing organization THEY have a work around
for the free will end.
from the same link as the first paragraph https://www.gotquestions.org/elect-of-God.html
As it stands, the concept of God electing those who will be saved (predestination) isn’t controversial. It is a biblical truth (John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4-5). What is controversial is how and in what manner God chooses those who will be saved. Throughout church history, there have been two main views on the doctrine of election. One view, which we will call the prescient or foreknowledge view, teaches that God, through His omniscience, knows those who will in the course of time choose of their own free will to place their faith and trust in Jesus Christ for their salvation. On the basis of this divine foreknowledge, God elects these individuals “before the foundation of the world” (Ephesians 1:4)
In the Augustinian view, God has control; He is the one who, of His own sovereign will, freely chooses those whom He will save. He not only elects those whom He will save, but He actually accomplishes their salvation. Rather than simply make salvation possible, God chooses those whom He will save and then saves them. This view puts God in His proper place as Creator and Sovereign.
The Augustinian view is not without problems of its own. Critics have claimed that this view robs man of his free will. If God chooses those who will be saved, then what difference does it make for man to believe? Why preach the gospel? Furthermore, if God elects according to His sovereign will, then how can we be responsible for our actions? These are all good and fair questions that need to be answered. A good passage to answer these questions is Romans 9, the most in-depth passage dealing with God’s sovereignty in election.
Both predestination and personal responsibility are true—God is completely in control, and humanity makes choices and is completely accountable for those choices. The Bible does not present these as irreconcilable truths (as theological traditions sometimes do). We learn that, if God elected those He foreknew, He both knows His creation before it exists and He determines important things about His creation. If God is great enough to be the Creator of all, then He is not stumped by the mutual existence of His sovereignty and human volition, choice, and responsibility.
Christ is the elect of God and those who become in Christ are therefore elect and predestined.
civic
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It’s for the lucky lottery winners who were all predetermined to cash in their winnings.
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brightfame52
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Election is unconditional because its of Grace See Rom 11:5-6
Nothing there about unconditional election to salvation
Acts 11:17–18 (NASB95) — 17 “Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” 18 When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”
Romans 5:1–2 (LEB) — 1 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we boast in the hope of the glory of God.
Romans 3:21–26 (LEB) — 21 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified about by the law and the prophets—22 that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins, 26 in the forbearance of God, for the demonstration of his righteousness in the present time, so that he should be just and the one who justifies the person by faith in Jesus.
Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.
Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
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