synergy
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It's very enlightening that Calvinists think themselves as the Twice or Multi-Saved people Once is not enough, you guys need to be saved again. Fascinating.....
Calvinism is Gospel !
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synergy
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Your unconditional election is no more than a divine lottery disguised as theology. It makes repentance and faith into empty theatrics, portrays God as arbitrarily gracious to some while mercilessly ignoring others, and leaves human responsibility incoherent, since the reprobate are condemned for failing to do what God Himself decreed they will never do. In short, it reduces the gospel’s universal invitations to a cosmic charade where the outcome was rigged before the curtain ever rose.@JLB
Saved in the sense that his sins are forgiven and that he is no longer under condemnation. Please consider and then respond.
Legally the sins of God elect were paid for in full when Christ died and was resurrected by the power of God.
Romans 4:25
“Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”
Christ's life, death and resurrection from the dead "secured" our legal justification before the law of God. Jesus is the head of the elect of God, and we are the members of his elect body. We were in him from all eternity, in him when he lived in the body of his flesh spiritually speaking, what he did, was as though we did it, what happen to him happened to us by being members of his elect body ~ when he died, we died, when he arose from the dead, we arose, where he now sits at God's right hand, so does each one of the elect members of his body ~legally speaking.
Ephesians 2:4,5
"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are savedAnd hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
Much more could be given, but enough to make my point according to the word of God.
Vitally when are born again by the Spirit of God alone in time when we were dead in trespasses and sins. this take place in the subconscious part of man, where the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of Jesus Christ, which man has the power to hear, see, and believe when given the opportunity to do so, but impossible for one to do so, without this new birth. Man is totally unaware when this birth takes place, (as we shall see) one can only realized it that it was all of God once he begins to hear, believe and received the truths of God's word, and this may take time, since one is a babe in Christ and growth is absolutely necessary for one to understand these blessed truths. He may even reject some of these truths in the beginning because of so many other voices saying contrary things, but in time he will come to see and understand, even though all do so on different levels, no two are the same, and that because of many different factors that may come into play. Nicodemus is the perfect example of what I'm saying, so I'll come back later when time permits and consider Nicodemus' faith, a faith extremely fragile in the beginning but took root and begin to grown as we shall see.
@synergy
Coming from a man who said that he would join RCC, does not surprise me you saying these words~ btw, when you see Christ, he will remind you of these very words, I'm pretty sure he will not take them as most will, better you than me saying these borderline blasphemous words, of course I would never do so, for I understand such scriptures as Romans 11:1-6; etc. and do not reject, and certainly not deny them, as folks like you do.
Yes.
There is nothing in your thread explaining how an unsaved person becomes saved.
Just copy and paste from your post if you think I’m wrong.
Please explain how you believe an unsaved person becomes saved, if not by confessing with the mouth that Jesus is Lord and believing with the heart God raised Him from the dead.
Just exactly like God’s word teaches us.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9
It’s sad you make so many posts with false statements about salvation and when asked you can’t answer because you don’t even know.
YOU ARE EXPOSED AS A FALSE TEACHER.
synergy
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When did I ever say that I would join the RCC??? You not only believe falsehoods against the Bible, you also believe falsehoods against people.
So now you have Christ reminding everyone of what you wrote? Your attempt to frame that in a humble way fails miserably.
It's time you realized that you promote nonsensical views of God like the reprobate are condemned for failing to do what God Himself decreed they will never do.
brightfame52
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There r different facets of salvation
brightfame52
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synergy
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What other way other than the Cross can one be saved by? If calvinists have another way other than the Cross then by all means do tell us. Don't keep that all to yourselves.
civic
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It is somehow bypassed along with personal faith. It’s another gospel, just the opposite of what it claimed in the OP. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the gospel.
@civic
The new birth is not as simple as you and the host of others think it is, it is much more than "opening your heart to Jesus", or walking down the isle of some church, etc.
It takes the same power that resurrected Jesus from the dead, to spiritually resurrect a sinner from being dead in sins, to life in Jesus Christ.
Later.....
Nice try~Come with me to John 3 and let us hear what Christ said, where it is the only place where being born again is described by the Son of God, the greatest prophet that ever lived, I think he knows the new birth the best. Even if you will not come, which I do not think you will, then I'll do a verse by verse on it tomorrow.
The new birth is not as simple as you and the host of others think it is, it is much more than "opening your heart to Jesus", or walking down the isle of some church, etc.
It takes the same power that resurrected Jesus from the dead, to spiritually resurrect a sinner from being dead in sins, to life in Jesus Christ.
Later.....
@synergy
Either you or praise_yeshua said it in a post a while back, if I have you confused with him, then I apologized, but you both are very close in what you believe and teach, I do get you two mixed up at times ~ Sorry.
brightfame52
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Lol You dont even know what facets mean
synergy
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So you still have not disclosed what other facets there are other than the Cross and our repentance. You're still holding on to your Twice or Multi-Saved opinion. If calvinists know of how to be Twice saved then by all means do tell us. Don't keep that all to yourselves.
dwight92070
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Calvinism is the teaching of a man who burned people at the stake, if they didn't agree with him.
Why would ANYONE follow such a barbaric man?
Why would ANYONE follow such a barbaric man?
brightfame52
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Go study
brightfame52
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Calvinism tulip is the gospel of God's grace
civic
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Here I fixed it for you:
Calvinism tulip is the false gospel , void of God's grace and love.
dwight92070
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Let me get this straight. If others disagreed with Calvinism, burning them at the stake was God's grace?
Anja
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The gospel calls all to repent and trust in the Lord for salvation, and be forgiven and credited with righteousness so as to receive the gift of eternal life.
Whoever repents and trusts in the Lord for their salvation and calls upon His name in faith is forgiven and credited with righteousness, being set apart in the Son. They are set apart, being in Christ, based on His work on the cross, who came down to earth as a man and atoned for the sins of all people.
Salvation comes by hearing and trusting the gospel, the news of God’s goodness and provision. This is the good news.
By grace through faith, mankind is credited with righteousness and saved. They are placed in Christ and are baptized into Him. We abide in Him and produce His fruit. They are part of His body. They are marked with the Holy Spirit who will resurrect them to eternal life.
Whoever repents and trusts in the Lord for their salvation and calls upon His name in faith is forgiven and credited with righteousness, being set apart in the Son. They are set apart, being in Christ, based on His work on the cross, who came down to earth as a man and atoned for the sins of all people.
Salvation comes by hearing and trusting the gospel, the news of God’s goodness and provision. This is the good news.
By grace through faith, mankind is credited with righteousness and saved. They are placed in Christ and are baptized into Him. We abide in Him and produce His fruit. They are part of His body. They are marked with the Holy Spirit who will resurrect them to eternal life.
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